Funny cause I got the exact opposite impression, impulsive yes, but disloyal to that extent? I hope not, to be frank she kinda reminds me of my wife from time to time.
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Would Jadzia leave Worf for Quark?
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Funny cause I got the exact opposite impression, impulsive yes, but disloyal to that extent? I hope not, to be frank she kinda reminds me of my wife from time to time.
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Jadzia had Quark pretty strictly friend-zoned.
Jadzia told Kira once that "You can get along with Ferengi if you can accept you can't trust them." But as lovers that wouldn't work as well. To really confide in him she'd need to know he wouldn't betray her trust for profit.
I see Jadzia as someone who'd be open to polyamorous relationship but who wouldn't lie about it.
Jadzia told Kira once that "You can get along with Ferengi if you can accept you can't trust them." But as lovers that wouldn't work as well. To really confide in him she'd need to know he wouldn't betray her trust for profit.
I see Jadzia as someone who'd be open to polyamorous relationship but who wouldn't lie about it.
1. Would Jadzia leave Worf for a full set of classic 70's Tupperware containers, complete with matching lids?
2. More seriously, would Worf have fallen for Jadzia *without* the Dax component? I think, no.
2. More seriously, would Worf have fallen for Jadzia *without* the Dax component? I think, no.
I see Jadzia AS a polyamorous relationship.
Yes, but she's wise and aware enough to realize that not everybody shares this view. So if her committed partner did not have a similar view of polyamory, she would respect the partner's views and not do it.
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we never got to know pre-Dax Jadzia.
I don't think Worf really saw Jadzia as Jadzia and Dax, but just as Jadzia.
One of the things Worf liked about Jadzia was her aggression, and while it's not clear whether Jadzia was aggressive before she was Jadzia Dax, it's implied a lot of that came from Curzon.
Jadzia wouldn't see anything wrong with sleeping with someone else but she's smart enough to know dating Worf has the implicit contract of fidelity, and she respects her friends too much to do it and then lie.
Jadzia wouldn't see anything wrong with sleeping with someone else but she's smart enough to know dating Worf has the implicit contract of fidelity, and she respects her friends too much to do it and then lie.
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Yeah, but when they all get STIs that are either untreatable or get harder to treat as one ages, then what? If nothing else, the possible number of sequels, like "Star Trek: Deep Dax II: The Wrath of Space Syphilis" and "Deep Dax III: The Search For Herpes (Cure)" just don't sound as appealing...
I think Jadzia grew to respect and care about Quark as a person, and vice versa, but I never saw any actual romantic chemistry between the two aside from Quark's general lechery - and that wasn't specific to Jadzia.
And "cheat" (Worf isn't a math test, for crap's sake) isn't really the right word to use here. As you said, she willingly entered into marriage as Klingons define it, which expects physical monogamy, and probably emotional monogamy as well. Their wedding ceremony was entirely devoid of any Trill customs as far as I could see. Failing to adhere to those vows would be viewed by Worf and other Klingons as dishonoring Worf and all Klingon culture, which is a lot more serious than the faintly juvenile sounding term "cheating".
So viewed in those terms, I don't think she would ever choose to dishonor Worf and the House of Martok, as she chose to turn her back on Trill marriage customs when she married Worf and became a member of the House of Martok.
FWIW, I think that Trek was a bit naive - or was deliberately trying to avoid controversy - when they made all the major alien races be monogamous just like most 20th century humans. In reality, I think a wide variety of mating patterns would be common among the various species, and I'd think the even among 24th century humans, there would be more than one ethically acceptable form of intimate relationship. And I strongly think that apart from the reassociation taboo of that Dax and Kahn faced, that the Trill would not mandate monogamy-only relationships, if Jadzia is a typical member of her species.
As far her and Quark - they're just buddies, like Bashir and O'Brien are. To Jadzia, her being female this time around and Quark being male are entirely irrelevant, though I'm sure Quark would beg to differ.
To the Trill, who go through both male and female hosts over several lifetimes, what sex any given host is is far less relevant to their sense of self than it might be to those of other non-symbiotic single lifetime species. To Jadzia, being female is probably no more central to her sense of self than the color of her hair is, only taking up relevance when and if she'd want to have a baby.
Denobulans. Andorians (by marriage, in canon, and biologically, if you count TrekLit). Riker and Troi, if you take a hard look at their ongoing Imzadi relationship and eventual marriage along with the fact that she seemed perfectly happy that he was frequently in physical relationships with other women, and even to discuss it with him or them.
If even then, once you take into account things like artificial insemination using sperm with nuclei "borrowed" from female donors (which we have NOW, but I'm unsure whether it has been utilized in practice), full term artificial wombs (which we're probably close to), and so on. Pretty much anyone could "mother" OR "father" (or both) offspring.
I purposely specified MAJOR Trek races, of which the Denobulans were not, as they were seen and mentioned only in Enterprise. I concede the point for Andorians, though Shran seemed to have monogamous relationships; with the officer who died and with his daughter's mother.Denobulans. Andorians (by marriage, in canon, and biologically, if you count TrekLit). Riker and Troi, if you take a hard look at their ongoing Imzadi relationship and eventual marriage along with the fact that she seemed perfectly happy that he was frequently in physical relationships with other women, and even to discuss it with him or them.
If even then, once you take into account things like artificial insemination using sperm with nuclei "borrowed" from female donors (which we have NOW, but I'm unsure whether it has been utilized in practice), full term artificial wombs (which we're probably close to), and so on. Pretty much anyone could "mother" OR "father" (or both) offspring.
And, of course, you're right about alternative ways of having offspring, though one choice would be to conceive and gestate in the old fashioned way, which apparently most Trek couples did: Keiko, B'Elanna, etc. One could include Kira for the gestation part, though how she came to be pregnant was alternative. But the O'Briens did not choose an artificial womb in the infirmary, but chose Kira as a surrogate mother to gestate in the old fashioned way, so technology was kept at a minimum. As I recall, Bashir didn't even suggest an artificial womb as a possibility.
ETA: To me, the Imzadi thing was more of an emotional bond than a physical one, though your mileage may vary.
My wife left me for a bloke who looks like a cross between Morn and a Pakled so who the fuck knows....
No. Dax and Quark didn't get together in 3 years without Worf, so why would that suddenly change with him? Was he that repelling? 
Seriously though, to me it felt like Jadzia just liked being with Quark for fun and their friendship was based on that and perhaps grew a little beyond that to include some genuine caring, but never into anything love-related.
Seriously though, to me it felt like Jadzia just liked being with Quark for fun and their friendship was based on that and perhaps grew a little beyond that to include some genuine caring, but never into anything love-related.
^well, if it would have lead to an epic fight between the borg Queen and Jadzia over him, I wouldn't have been against it
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