No one is making you pay for it.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"
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Oh, be fair to him. I'm not paying for this, and I won't be any time soon.
The six bucks doesn't bother me; I'm perfectly willing to pay for premium television content.
You have to pay for it and like it mister!
The actual line is:
Saavik: "Any suggestions, Admiral?"
Kirk: "Prayer, Mr. Saavik. The Klingons don't take prisoners."
It's a definitive statement.
CBS is papering the house!
The complainer is an outstanding beauty and sleep like a baby...hence the complaints.
Which is disproven by the constant taking of prisoners they keep doing, putting them on trial, and having prisons for them. Since before Enterprise, and all the way through to Nemesis.
Kirk was trying to scare her, using a blatantly false statement.
Absolutely.
It's like a free short-term gym membership - they hope you won't remember to cancel before they bill you.
They just need a few more stand out products to keep you stuffing quarters in their jocks.
Give the Good Fight a gander.
It's the Good wife cast with a Game of Thrones Girl in the mix, as a single ongoing story.
Give the Good Fight a gander.
It's the Good wife cast with a Game of Thrones Girl in the mix, as a single ongoing story.
Yeah, he even did that evil smile thing there!
Klingons and prisoners... "Heart of Glory" makes it seem as if fanatic Kahlessians don't take hostages to hide behind. But that's about as far as their inhibitions go.
Non-fanatic Klingons aren't seen hiding behind humanoid shields, either, for that matter, but they do take hostages to blackmail others with, and they do capture enemies for interrogation and for forced labor and/or punishment. This is rather in keeping with the Klingon view that honor is wasted on those who allow themselves to be captured. But it's not mandatory for a Klingon to torture his prisoners, apparently. Although it may be encouraged in wartime at least. (Do Klingons believe in other sorts of time?)
Timo Saloniemi
Nowhere is it depicted that planets give up their sovereignty. They still have planetary governments. There are no Federation-installed Governors, no Federation police. Starfleet doesn't even provide military forces on the ground on Earth, the capital of the Federation (based on how unusual their presence is on Earth during DS9's "Paradise Lost", the Federation president even has to authorize it under special conditions and only after a threat of Founder invasion and some Starfleet false flag actions). Yes, Starfleet performs a common space defense role because it makes logical sense from command and control, logistics, and production perspectives. And yes, the governing structure of the planet has to include some basic guarantees for entry into the Federation (e.g., no caste-based social structure) but they clearly aren't controlled and dictated to by the Federation (based on Bajor's development when petitioning for Federation membership). Your claims are all unfounded or plainly incorrect.
Maybe you haven't seen the arguments that he is a sleeper agent/Manchurian Candidate that doesn't remember he is Voq and will be "triggered" later. I think this is the most plausible argument and answers most of your questions. Except for why L'Rell would expose herself to the chance of being killed for the mission. That I don't really get. But then again, provided this is all true, L'Rell was willing to let half a dozen or more Klingons die just to get this mission off the ground, so she might have been willing to sacrifice herself if it made the whole thing more believable to Starfleet.
I don't agree. "Fuck" has been around with this meaning from around the 15th century (according to the internet) so it is likely to last another 200 years. Plus, if the argument is that "fuck" will change and evolve in that time, so too must a large portion of English - so we must either accept that in the Federation future the English we hear has either been held pretty constant (probably due to recordkeeping and general communication purposes, and universal usage) or it has all evolved and we are just hearing a "translation" into 21st century English - either way "fuck" is as valid as "torpedo" or "computer".
Same with me, its the sci fi version of 'white privilege syndrome' showing as 'Human/Terran privilege syndrome'.
There is enough male WASP syndrome in Star Trek as it is.
Honestly with the move away from "forehead aliens" it's far less likely that we'll ever see a Starfleet ship mostly crewed by non-humans.
I did always wonder, given we know Vulcan science ships and the like still exist, if for all intents and purposes Starfleet is just the Earth-based branch of the Federation fleet, and there are other, albeit smaller, branches wandering around the Alpha Quadrant.
Ash Tyler is probably a Klingon, and very possibly Voq after cosmetic surgery or a deliberate reactivation of the Augment virus that may still be dormant in his bloodstream from his ancestors. Either way and however he was made to look like a human, he's probably a Klingon in disguise a'la Arne Darvin more than a decade later.
Actually, it goes like this:
Saavik: Any suggestions, Admiral?
Kirk: Prayer, Mr. Saavik. The Klingons don't take prisoners.
Kor
I'm not sure anyone is getting exactly what they want out of this show. I'm enjoying it quite a lot, but I've got my problems with it, too. I'm getting the impression that the TrekYards guys are on pretty much the same level. I dunno. Maybe I'm projecting.
To boldly say fuck where no one has said it before!
I didn't have a problem with it it. It wasn't just cussing but also humor all wrapped into one, and a genuinely funny and real moment I thought.
[serious looks] . . . "It is fucking awesome!"
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