Trainees, actually.
THE ORVILLE - S1, E6: "KRILL"
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True, but I think they're some sort of weird cult. The official position of the Klingon Empire as reflected in the 2151 addendums to the Geneva Conventions may reflect what we've known previously - no need to return bodies of the deceased, no special considerations for them, etc.
It isn't that Discovery is dark, Trek has done dark before. It is that it is exclusively dark with unlikable characters. At least for me.
To me the point is that this episode was dark, but the series isn't. Too much modern science fiction feels the need to always be dark (and/or action-packed and/or full of stuff you have to be a die-hard fan to understand). This series returns to one of the foundations of Trek: an anthology series with continuing characters. Individual episodes are as dark, or funny, or thought-provoking as befits the plot.
TNG's "Conspiracy" was entertaining because of the gory ending. Imagine if the entire series had to hold to the same mood!
Get Smart is a good comparison for this episode since it involved bumbling secret agents. But overall it doesn't work, as Get Smart wasn't really comedy and drama, it was pure comedy, and it was hilarious.
The Orville is already consistently scoring higher than Discovery on episode by episode basis. The Expanse is a silly show about people working the mines in the far future, as soon as I heard of that premise I gave up on it, there should be a limit on the silliness that is allowed in Sci Fi. The Black Mirror is good but too dark and depressing. Doctor Who - I don't know, couldn't get into it past a few episodes. Therefore, yes, The Orville is so far the best Sci Fi show since ST: Enterprise.
The last Orville episode was on the darker side and I rated it as 6/10, it still had a solid story that raised interesting moral dilemmas but, most importantly, covered more story in one episode that STD has so far done in its entirety. That's what placed it just over the edge relative to the last STD episode which was the best one of the series so far and was rated at 5/10. The interactions between the crew and its cohesiveness is still substantially stronger in The Orville than STD. The lighting is still better on The Orville.
We'll see how each show develops, as I said in another thread, I'll entertain the hypothetical possibility that, one day, STD will overtake The Orville in terms of quality/entertainment value, based on the last two episodes of each show. At this point STD is still lagging behind, but not by much.
Perhaps you should have actually watched the show because that description of the premise in no way matches what the show is about.
I enjoyed the first season.
Earth is the seat of The Planetary Union a major "galactic superpower," who says it's not already pretty well known where Earth is? I think not knowing where it is would be like not knowing where the UN building is.
And pointing to some point in celestial "sky" and saying "you can't see our sun between these two stars, but it's there, and our planet is around it!" is hardly giving someone the information they need to be able to navigate to some destination with any accuracy not to mention, I presume, it'd be pretty easy for someone (especially a kid) to get disoriented and forget where it is, all that'd have to happen is the ship spins to some random point any any of the three axial points of rotation and you'd be completely disoriented without a lot of training and knowledge to find constellations or other "markers" to reorient and find the destination which, again, is "a point you can't see between these two points."
And pointing to some point in celestial "sky" and saying "you can't see our sun between these two stars, but it's there, and our planet is around it!" is hardly giving someone the information they need to be able to navigate to some destination with any accuracy not to mention, I presume, it'd be pretty easy for someone (especially a kid) to get disoriented and forget where it is, all that'd have to happen is the ship spins to some random point any any of the three axial points of rotation and you'd be completely disoriented without a lot of training and knowledge to find constellations or other "markers" to reorient and find the destination which, again, is "a point you can't see between these two points."
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The Orville is actually trying to be silly. That's what the dick jokes and dog balls are about, this latest episode notwithstanding.
The Expanse, on the other hand, is not a silly show, it's an exciting and suspenseful show. It's not about mining, it's got several threads of plot involving the risk of war between different factions in the solar system and the politicians and generals trying to stop or start it, an alien lifeform being used as a bioweapon, a mystery about a missing woman, corporate intrigue, a crew of ordinary people trying to survive a complex mess they never intended to get into, etc.
The Orville is silly. The Expanse is a show for grown-ups based on a popular and respected series of novels. For what it's worth, based on two seasons of The Expanse and five of Discovery, The Expanse is better -- but that doesn't mean Discovery won't necessarily catch up quality-wise. But The Expanse is the best space-based science fiction TV series I've seen since Deep Space Nine and Farscape went off the air.
That is, quite literally, one of the most inaccurate descriptions of a TV show, movie, or book I have ever seen.
The 'audience' is made up of older Trekfans who are full of themselves and Brown-25 and who believe that Star Trek is supposed to stay the same way it always has been in order to suit them and only them, and nobody else (and these are the people who were always complaining on and off-line about how boring and crappy Voyager and Enterprise were while praising Deep Space Nine to the high heavens-forgetting that DS9's a lot like Discovery!)
Both the dissatisfied critics of The Orville and the dissatisfied viewers of Star Trek: Discovery can kiss my black butt.
True, but I think it's probably the closest comparison that there is-- not that it really needs to be compared to anything.
