If you do a war then doesn't Pike and the Enterprise have to show up?

[Jayson1]

I was thinking about this. It seems like a stretch to do a war, and maybe massive space battles or even important missions and not use your flagship in any of this. Trek already went with this problem once with the Enterprise-E not ever being used on DS9 for legal reasons of course. Might still be a legal issue since Pike and the Enterprise is part of the Kelvin Universe but it will feel strange from a creative angle to not see the Enterprise or at least get a reference about some big mission they are on that we the audience just can't see.

Jason

 

[starmike]

So you're saying there was no Pike/Enterprise in the Prime timeline? Because that would be wrong, you know.

 

[Kane_Steel]

This ain't the Prime timeline. Don't believe the lies.

 

[ozzfloyd]

The TOS Enterprise was NOT the flagship.

 

[Noname Given]

I was thinking about this. It seems like a stretch to do a war, and maybe massive space battles or even important missions and not use your flagship in any of this. Trek already went with this problem once with the Enterprise-E not ever being used on DS9 for legal reasons of course. Might still be a legal issue since Pike and the Enterprise is part of the Kelvin Universe but it will feel strange from a creative angle to not see the Enterprise or at least get a reference about some big mission they are on that we the audience just can't see.

Jason

Um, the 1701 WASN'T "The Flagship of the federation" in the TOS era - especially in Pike's era. Plus, the Galaxy is big. Do you really think a federation Admiral would go - no we have to wait for the 1701 before we send the Fleet...? Please.

 

[Gojira]

This ain't the Prime timeline. Don't believe the lies.

This show fits very easily into the Kelvin timeline.

 

[Jayson1]

So you're saying there was no Pike/Enterprise in the Prime timeline? Because that would be wrong, you know.

I'm kind of confused by the question. Their clearly was a Pike in the Prime timeline and also the Kelvin Universe and I would imagine you would have one in this show as well, even if people consider it not canon because it's not radically non canon. It's vague enough right now to imagine many familiar trek tropes being close to what has been established.

Jason

 

[CorporalClegg]

Pro tip: The Enterprise was never a flagship.

#misnomer

 

[Jayson1]

Um, the 1701 WASN'T "The Flagship of the federation" in the TOS era - especially in Pike's era. Plus, the Galaxy is big. Do you really think a federation Admiral would go - no we have to wait for the 1701 before we send the Fleet...? Please.

Are we sure. I was always under the impression that it was always the flagship even though you do have some gaps in time were you would in theory not have a Enterprise in service at all. For example I wonder how much time passed between the Enterprise-B and the Enterprise-C.

Jason

 

[Tim Thomason]

I was thinking about this. It seems like a stretch to do a war, and maybe massive space battles or even important missions and not use your flagship in any of this. Trek already went with this problem once with the Enterprise-E not ever being used on DS9 for legal reasons of course. Might still be a legal issue since Pike and the Enterprise is part of the Kelvin Universe but it will feel strange from a creative angle to not see the Enterprise or at least get a reference about some big mission they are on that we the audience just can't see.

Jason

Yes. The Enterprise and Captain Pike probably fought in this Klingon War. Just perhaps not in any of the battles we'll see. There's only 12 like her in the fleet (probably less, even).

 

[Noname Given]

Are we sure. I was always under the impression that it was always the flagship even though you do have some gaps in time were you would in theory not have a Enterprise in service at all. For example I wonder how much time passed between the Enterprise-B and the Enterprise-C.

Jason

Nope - the 'Enterprise' was never stated to be "The Flagship of the Federation" in the the Pike or the Kirk eras of the TOS TV series. It didn't become that until TNG.

 

[Kane_Steel]

If they ever cast a rebooted Pike in this universe;

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Wars have many battles and many fronts. No need to see it at all really.

 

[CorporalClegg]

If they ever cast a rebooted Pike in this universe;

I'd much rather wait for Bruce.

 

[Jayson1]

Yes. The Enterprise and Captain Pike probably fought in this Klingon War. Just perhaps not in any of the battles we'll see. There's only 12 like her in the fleet (probably less, even).

Makes me wonder how many ships they even have in the fleet. I got to imagine the number of ships they have is much smaller than you see in the 24th century so wouldn't that increase the odd's of seeing the same ships since you only got a select few to choose from for missions? Of course for me the most sense would be to have the Enterprise guardian Earth or Vulcan or some of your more important worlds.

Jason

 

[CorporalClegg]

Well like Mercer said in the Orville pilot, even if the fleet's hundreds deep, spread them out across the quadrant and everything seems pretty sparse.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I was thinking about this. It seems like a stretch to do a war, and maybe massive space battles or even important missions and not use your flagship in any of this. Trek already went with this problem once with the Enterprise-E not ever being used on DS9 for legal reasons of course. Might still be a legal issue since Pike and the Enterprise is part of the Kelvin Universe but it will feel strange from a creative angle to not see the Enterprise or at least get a reference about some big mission they are on that we the audience just can't see.

Yes, just like how in WWII every single US Navy ship showed up to every single battle in the Pacific. Even the ones serving in the Atlantic steamed all the way over there and back each time.

 

[Timo]

Pike's ship from "The Cage" may be a tad bigger than the Shenzhou, but is she more battleworthy? Her skipper at least appears not to be - he only wears Lieutenant braid, folds at the first casualties suffered, and resorts to drinking and drafting letters of resignment... In a war, NCC-1701 would probably be given to a worthier man, unless Pike was flying her through yet another milk run somewhere too far from the action for Starfleet to bother.

No, nothing flagshiplike about Pike's ship, not even when Kirk takes her over. Perhaps a slight "cream of the cream" vive for what we now call the Constitution class, but even that may turn out to be a misunderstanding.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

This is the Prime timeline. Just as Enterprise was and remains Prime timeline in spite of overly nitpicky debates about Romulan cloaking technology, photonic torpedoes and the Temporal Cold War that insist on categorizing ENT as its own reality and timeline.

DSC is Prime. Just not 1966 set and prop technology Prime. It fits with TOS. You just have to let up, see the links and let it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Perhaps they were at Risa and missed the entire thing, like Enterprise NX-01 during the Romulan War in the unmade Star Trek: The Beginning.