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Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors

Was that starfield painting really there in Season Three? I thought they junked it after S1, but am happy to be proved wrong; I really liked it!
No, I don't think the photo of the Orion nebula appeared after season one. But we never saw the wall to the right of the transporter pad again either IIRC, so theoretically it could've still been there

Also, you can buy a 11x17 print of the 1950s photo they used for the "starfield painting" here https://www.etsy.com/listing/150351489/1950s-orion-constellation-original?ref=market
 
So, I'm working on the briefing room, and I decided to challenge myself at making the flags we see in the courtroom scenes of "The Menagerie" and "Space Seed". Although the flags were technically never seen in the briefing room, I figured it would be a nice "later season addition". I may ultimately not use them in the briefing room, but just the courtroom when I get around to making the other courtroom props. Either way, I've always wanted to model indoor flags for my projects, so I did some research over the last couple of days to learn how to model cloth properly (thankfully, 3ds Max has a great cloth simulation tool).

We never see what exactly is on those two flags, but it is common belief that the red, white, and blue flag on the set is, in actuality, simply the Cuban flag. I, of course, modified it to be more representative of the United Federation of Planets. And while many speculate the shiny blue flag indeed contains the Enterprise delta, I decided to go for a "TOS Starfleet" chevron instead.

Here are the flags as seen in "The Menagerie":


And here are my interpretations:

The UFP Flag is based on a concept by aridas sofia



And here they are, in-game:



Thoughts?
 
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OK, not paying SUPER close attention, but it took me a moment to realize that the last pictures weren't more reference photos! Colorful Metaphor!
 
Am I merely misinterpreting the "highlighting" or did you give a slight "bulge" to the viewscreen "glass", tying it to what a mid 1960s TV audience would expect from video technology? In other words, did you give it a slight curvature like a cathode ray tube?
 
Am I merely misinterpreting the "highlighting" or did you give a slight "bulge" to the viewscreen "glass", tying it to what a mid 1960s TV audience would expect from video technology? In other words, did you give it a slight curvature like a cathode ray tube?
Interesting that you ask. I'd actually considered giving the screen a slight bulge to simulate a cathode ray tube screen, but all the on-screen evidence points to the fact that it was simply a flat screen, so I did not.
 
True, when not optical inserts, images upon the screen were usually rear projected and a flat surface with work better for that. I guess it's just an "effect" of a partial, hazy "reflection" that gave the illusion of screen curvature in those two renders.

Thanks for clarifying, Donny!
 
I LOVE the design of the UFP flag! Well done!

And since the briefing room set was used for the courtroom... In a way they did appear in the briefing room. ;)
 
That flag with the arrow pennant - it does seem to be a recurring theme throughout the series, in the decals on the ships and the big reflective metal thing behind various Admirals at star bases. Is this design a big part if Starfleet heraldry? Has it appeared elsewhere? I'm genuinely curious about this.
 
That flag with the arrow pennant - it does seem to be a recurring theme throughout the series, in the decals on the ships and the big reflective metal thing behind various Admirals at star bases. Is this design a big part if Starfleet heraldry? Has it appeared elsewhere? I'm genuinely curious about this.

The most information I ever remember seeing on it (which isn't much) is this page, which also points out its one post-TOS reuse, where a pointier version of the shape was used as the chest patch for the Defiant crew in the ENT mirror-universe episodes.
 
That flag with the arrow pennant - it does seem to be a recurring theme throughout the series, in the decals on the ships and the big reflective metal thing behind various Admirals at star bases. Is this design a big part if Starfleet heraldry? Has it appeared elsewhere? I'm genuinely curious about this.

Yes, this "boomerang" symbol appeared on the side of the ship hulls (both the Enterprise and the Galileo) and behind Starfleet admirals and the courtroom on "Court Martial". I've always loved the symbol and am interpreting it as an official symbol of Starfleet Command, before it adopted the Enterprise Delta as its official symbol, (sometime between TOS and TMP).

However, iconography in TOS was a mixed bag and there's no definitive answer as to what Starfleet's official symbol was. It took them half of season one to even nail down the name "Starfleet".
Starfleet Commodores and Admirals in TOS uniforms all had a "flower-burst" patch sewn into their uniforms, which could also be interpreted as Starfleeet's official symbol.

We, of course, see different symbols on the uniforms of other Starfleet ships in the series (The Constelation, The Exeter, The Antares all have their own symbols) and it is a common belief that Starfleet ships all have their own symbols prior to TMP.

However, it should be noted that the more familiar Enterprise Delta also appeared on non-Enterprise crew members uniforms throughout the series (see the bar scene in "Court Martial", the scenes onboard the Defiant in "The Tholian Web", the officer oogling an Orion Vina in "The Cage/The Menagerie").

Bob Justman even wrote a memo to the production staff after "The Omega Glory" demanding that the crew stop using diffeeent symbols for other Starfleet ships, as it was his belief all Starfleet personnel should wear the Enterprise delta. Looks like they paid attention for "The Tholian Web" as the crew members of The Defiant all have Enterprise deltas on their uniforms, but then again, in another awkward move some 30 years later, a new unique patch was given to the crew members of the Defiant in "In A Mirror Darkly", which interestingly was a more angular version of the Starfleet boomerang.

So, it's up to interpretation in a few ways. I'm taking the following stance:
1) Each ship had its own unique symbol and crew members attached to these ships wore that unique symbol on their uniforms
2) This pre-TMP boomerang shape, since it appears on the side of ship hulls and behind admiralty, is the official symbol of Starfleet to be used on wall decorations, seals, flags, etc.
3) The uniforms of Starfleet Command personnel, and not attached to the operation of any one specific ship, will feature the flower-burst patch.

To me, this is the most logical way to sort out some of the inconsistencies.
 
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Yes, this "boomerang" symbol appeared on the side of the ship hulls (both the Enterprise and the Galileo) and behind Starfleet admirals and the courtroom on "Court Martial". I've always loved the symbol and am interpreting it as an official symbol of Starfleet Command, before it adopted the Enterprise Delta as its official symbol, (sometime between TOS and TMP).

However, iconography in TOS was a mixed bag and there's no definitive answer as to what Starfleet's official symbol was. It took them half of season one to even nail down the name "Starfleet".
Starfleet Commodores and Admirals in TOS uniforms all had a "flower-burst" patch sewn into their uniforms, which could also be interpreted as Starfleeet's official symbol.

We, of course, see different symbols on the uniforms of other Starfleet ships in the series (The Constelation, The Exeter, The Antares all have their own symbols) and it is a common belief that Starfleet ships all have their own symbols prior to TMP.

However, it should be noted that the more familiar Enterprise Delta also appeared on non-Enterprise crew members uniforms throughout the series (see the bar scene in "Court Martial", the scenes onboard the Defiant in "The Tholian Web", the officer oogling an Orion Vina in "The Cage/The Menagerie").

Bob Justman even wrote a memo to the production staff after "The Omega Glory" demanding that the crew stop using diffeeent symbols for other Starfleet ships, as it was his belief all Starfleet personnel should wear the Enterprise delta. Looks like they paid attention for "The Tholian Web" as the crew members of The Defiant all have Enterprise deltas on their uniforms, but then again, in another awkward move some 30 years later, a new unique patch was given to the crew members of the Defiant in "In A Mirror Darkly", which interestingly was a more angular version of the Starfleet boomerang.

So, it's up to interpretation in a few ways. I'm taking the following stance:
1) Each ship had its own unique symbol and crew members attached to these ships wore that unique symbol on their uniforms
2) This pre-TMP boomerang shape, since it appears on the side of ship hulls and behind admiralty, is the official symbol of Starfleet to be used on wall decorations, seals, flags, etc.
3) The uniforms of Starfleet Command personnel, and not attached to the operation of any one specific ship, will feature the flower-burst patch.

To me, this is the most logical way to sort out some of the inconsistencies.
To be extra clear, Justman said he consulted Roddenberry who verified that "starship crews" wear the "flying-A" delta. Here's the memo (again), emphasis mine:

TO: Bill Theiss
FROM: Bob Justman
SUBJECT: STARSHIP EMBLEMS
DATE: December 18, 1967

Whilst sitting in Dailies today, it was noticed that a Starship Captain (from another Starship) was wearing an emblem unfamiliar to yours truly. I have checked the occurences out with Mr. Roddenberry, who has reassured me that all Starship personnel wear the Starship emblem that we have established for our Enterprise Crew Members to wear.

Doubtless this situation has arisen due to the fact that a different Starship emblem was used last season on “CHARLIE X”. However, the personnel of that other ship in that show were the equivalent of merchant marine or freighter personnel -- and therefore not entitled to bear this proud insignia on their individual and collective breasts.

Please do not do anything to correct this understandable mistake in the present episode. However, should we have Starfleet personnel in any other episodes, please make certain that they were the proper emblem.

Under penalty of death!

Signed this 18th day of December, in the year of our Lord, 1967, by

ROBERT H. JUSTMAN
Chief Inquisitor

CC: Gene Roddenberry
John M. Lucas
D.C. Fontana
Gregg Peters

RHJ:sts
P.S. A carven “I’m sorry!” will be sufficient.
R.H.J.
 
To be extra clear, Justman said he consulted Roddenberry who verified that "starship crews" wear the "flying-A" delta. Here's the memo (again), emphasis mine:
The sad thing is that most people ignore this. They try to argue that the Enterprise Delta was never the main insignia of the Federation when ship crews had different insignia (even though there have been episodes where non-Enterprise members had the insignia). Unfortunately, it also doesn't help that in the Enterprise 2-parter episode "In a Mirror Darkly" they came up with a symbol for the Defiant crew to honor the idea of different ship insignias, which was a dumb decision and they should of retconned the Enterprise delta in there.
 
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