The New USS Discovery....

[Mirror Mirror]

It could be a situation similar to the USS Constellation (1854). The Enterprise is intended to be the original ship (more or less) but is in fact very different. I'd prefer to think more of the original was kept than in the building of the Constellation in 1854, but whatever they did, it changed the ship considerably.

IMO that makes no sense. What does make sense was this was a normal refit and she always looked like this, and they were just upgrading the electronics and such on a 20 year old ship after a long mission. I honestly think that was the intent at the time.

 

[Jesse1066]

IMO that makes no sense. What does make sense was this was a normal refit and she always looked like this, and they were just upgrading the electronics and such on a 20 year old ship after a long mission. I honestly think that was the intent at the time.

I agree with this actually. To a point. The nacelles were definitely new, along with the warp core and probably the deflector. Putting aside the exterior shape of the hull, the rest is mostly just aesthetics.
I could imagine the original Enterprise being shaped kind of like this, but probably with a more cohesive look:

Edit: For what it's worth, I think the Decker's line that "this is an almost totally new Enterprise" is worth pointing out since it suggests that a almost everything has indeed been changed or newly built. The ship has definitely changed a lot, even if the overall shape is very similar.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I agree with this actually. To a point. The nacelles were definitely new, along with the warp core and probably the deflector. Putting aside the exterior shape of the hull, the rest is mostly just aesthetics.
I could imagine the original Enterprise being shaped kind of like this, but probably with a more cohesive look:

Edit: For what it's worth, I think the Decker's line that "this is an almost totally new Enterprise" is worth pointing out since it suggests that a almost everything has indeed been changed or newly built. The ship has definitely changed a lot, even if the overall shape is very similar.

Not bad at all really. Personally I just think of TMP version as the TOS version. Although Honestly TMP style hull with TOS nacelles may look rather nice.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

LOL Hey I found one with TOS style dish and Nacelles

 

[Jesse1066]

LOL Hey I found one with TOS style dish and Nacelles

Blue Bussard collectors. That's... unusual.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Those of TMP Connie are also blue

 

[Jesse1066]

Those of TMP Connie are also blue

It didn't have Bussard collectors. Not visible ones, at least.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

It didn't have Bussard collectors. Not visible ones, at least.

Maybe I am just thinking of the blue sides. I could have sworn it had not lit blue ones in a front grill.

Anyhow, ya could change em back red, as I would. I just like the over all mix.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Yeah, the bussard collectors seemed to be more enclosed on the refit style nacelles, though I've seen some renditions (if not the filming model) where those areas are done in red.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Enterprise is intended to be the original ship (more or less) but is in fact very different.

"This is an almost totally new Enterprise, you don't know her a tenth as well as I do!" - Decker

 

[Jesse1066]

"This is an almost totally new Enterprise, you don't know her a tenth as well as I do!" - Decker

Decker's line that "this is an almost totally new Enterprise" is worth pointing out since it suggests that a almost everything has indeed been changed or newly built. The ship has definitely changed a lot, even if the overall shape is very similar.

I was only clarifying that it's still considered to be the same ship, whereas the Constellation of 1854 is considered by most historians to be a separate ship from the Constellation of 1797, while others consider them to be the same ship due to the reuse of materials from the original ship and the continuous service of a ship named Constellation. In both cases, it could be a bit of a Ship of Theseus situation. Once you've replaced everything, is it still the same ship?

 

[GeekFilter]

Nope.



Within 90% accuracy...yes it is.

I did a quick illustration of the nacelles. Throw these on the fan art, and you've got it.

Yeah that's basically it.

The interpretations of the fan art may be off in terms of the nacelle struts and engines somewhat, but it's close. Remember, even with plenty of cgi model views from Beyond, people were still getting the diagrams wrong.

Also, there's a possibility the CGI model may look somewhat different, as last minute tweaks and SFX team choices sometimes play a part. Remember that the FX team changed the designs of the NX-01 somewhat last minute, as well as both Enterprises in ST:Beyond.



I've speculated that in the in-universe 2255 timeline, saucer separation may be relatively new, and at the time, it may have been easier to simply eject parts of the saucer or bridge rather than the entire thing.

RAMA

I didn't expect that my extrapolation from the poster, the Shenzhou and what I know about John Eaves deign style was going to cause several pages of TrekBBS back and forth! I just made a birthday image for Jason Isaacs LOL! I've been doing fan posters since July of last year just trying to keep up with the changes. Also I spent like 10 min on altering my original design so I know the nacelles were a bit crap.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

However, they never changed her hull, you are talking about carrier top, not the hull. They simply redid the upper decks. This is not what happened in the constitution, Every part of that ship shape changed, it grew by 16 meters, not a deck on top, but the base hull, the spaceframe changed shape and size, the hallways changed size, the ship gained a few decks and grew taller. This is not a refit and not what happened to the midway.

First of all the "lengthening" of the ship (by 16 meters) ain't much of an argument. You can change the length of a Starfleet starship simply by replacing its nacelles and/or nacelle pylons. On paper the ship will change it's length without the actual body of the ship having been shortened or lengthened.

Secondly and more importantly, you're missing the point. The point isn't that the refits being done to the Midway are exactly like the ones done to the Enterprise. And how could they? One is a 20th century aircraft carrier and the other is a fictional 23rd century starship.

The point is the advancement of technology in more than 300 years time. If the Midway could receive such extensive refits that changed the carrier so much with 1955 (and 1966) technology, then the extensive refit of the Enterprise won't be much of a problem with Starfleet's technology of 2270. Don't rationalize it with a current technology mindset.

I mean who knows what more than 300 years of technology advancement might bring? We could be 3D printing ship parts or even whole ships by then!

 

[mos6507]

But its inline with TMP reboot of the ships. Lets be honest, TMP is 4 years after TOS, it was a reboot. You do not refit a ship and rebuilt every single inch of it and add what, 16 meters to it?

I never bought that TMP was so short after TOS. It's 10 regardless of official canon.

 

[Saul]

I didn't expect that my extrapolation from the poster, the Shenzhou and what I know about John Eaves deign style was going to cause several pages of TrekBBS back and forth! I just made a birthday image for Jason Isaacs LOL! I've been doing fan posters since July of last year just trying to keep up with the changes. Also I spent like 10 min on altering my original design so I know the nacelles were a bit crap.

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[Nerys Myk]

I never bought that TMP was so short after TOS. It's 10 regardless of official canon.

I don't like it, therefore it's wrong.

 

[BillJ]

"This is an almost totally new Enterprise, you don't know her a tenth as well as I do!" - Decker

Seems like Kirk would know where the turboshafts were at if the was just an electronics upgrade...

KIRK: Yeoman! Turboshaft eight?
YEOMAN: Back that way, sir.

Not bad at all really. Personally I just think of TMP version as the TOS version.

But its all supposed to be one big happy universe where everything fits!

 

[fireproof78]

I don't like it, therefore it's wrong.

Those writers never know what they're doing

 

[Jesse1066]

LOL Hey I found one with TOS style dish and Nacelles

I couldn't resist fiddling with it.

Edit: I fiddled a bit more.

 

[Fandango831]

Swiddy on Deviantart has a pretty neat Ship design he called Colonia that is a beautiful blend of TOS and TMP. Definitely worth checking out his page for fun!