I don't think any scientist cares about earning your faith.
Do people still believe in Hell?
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I don't think any scientist cares about earning your faith.
I think this biggest mistake is to think that everyone uses science as the only means towards forming the opinion that their no God. I think some base their opinion on the idea that a God isn't credible because of stuff like Adam and Eve or that God is written to be a bad person at times. Another thing is I think people's personalities also impact their beliefs as well. I think some treat Aitheism like a really cool obscure movie that the mainstream doesn't get and only they and people as smart as them can truly get.
Jason
Jason
While smug atheism might be a thing (Hello, Richard Dawkins), most atheists just simply don't give a fuck about religion so they don't spend a lot of time being condescending jerks.
I believe that many scientists think they are the font of understanding when they are just bumbling through. Though I don't disagree that there are not some very intelligent scientists out there. If they could create a Universe I might be impressed instead of explaining what is already there or theorizing about black holes and deciding Pluto is not a planet anymore. Scientists have their place and uses.
Jason, I don't think science could ever porve there is no God.. science thinks it is God.
Jason, I don't think science could ever porve there is no God.. science thinks it is God.
Yes, humans are fallible, aren't they? And people like us are a perfect example of that.
Look, Refuge, I don't know you, but if you are the Christian you claim to be...just lighten up, OK? These people are not our enemies. Don't put up walls where there don't have to be any. If you meet someone who doesn't have the same beliefs as you do - talk to them if they desire it, but if not, don't antagonize. Just leave them be. We don't need to be fighting.
I mean, I take great comfort in my faith, but you can't force it on someone who doesn't want it, and acting all self-righteous is not going to help matters one little bit. We have to set an example.
Just remember what St. Francis of Assisi once said: Preach the Gospel always...and if necessary, use words.
You might want to read some of the rest of this thread to revise your conclusion here. I see a few premises.. a few 'I care a fuck about religion comments' flat earthers, stupid Creationists, lets laugh at them etc, etc. that does rather resolve itself as them being condescending jerks.
Of course I could be wrong, lol.
You can find jerks everywhere. Self-righteous religious people are a thing, too. I don't think it makes sense to focus your attention on the idiots.
No one is asking you to censor your opinions. Just be diplomatic.
Very well said (both you and Francis
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Faith changes, too, but they just use a retcon. Then people come along and say that retcon isn't a part of the true faith, but their literal interpretation of another interpretation is totally the truth. It's a good example of evolution in action.
I agree with this. IMO I don't always see it as people or being smug or being a jerk. Sometimes I think people just get defensive when they feel they're views are under attack. That's why I wish people would just use the word "opinion" more instead of word's like "faith" or "facts." which I think can be seen as someone trying to elevate their views over another.You can find jerks everywhere. Self-righteous religious people are a thing, too. I don't think it makes sense to focus your attention on the idiots.
I also wish people would realize that their is no such thing as a unbiased opinion. Everyone is influenced by something and those things can go deeper than just religion and science.
Jason
No one in this thread has tried to censor your opinions. Disagreeing with you is not censorship. Having more people on the opposite side of the argument from you is not censorship. In fact, quite the opposite has happened. Numerous people have patiently explained their positions and disagreements with you or tried to answer your questions as you have singlehandedly monopolized the entire topic.
Heck, I simply answered YOUR challenge early in the thread to provide evidence that the presence and effects of black holes are observable and that it's not just a matter of faith, and instead of a polite acknowledgement on your part, or a slight bit of interest or curiosity in exploring it further yourself using the abundant resources available to you on the internet, you casually and rudely dismissed it as either me faking evidence or scientists making things up without giving it a second thought.
The only one censoring you here is yourself. You censor yourself by cutting yourself off from opinions that challenge your own preconceptions and embracing willful ignorance of science as a virtue. You censor yourself by seeing everything from an us-vs-them victim mentality where you think you are persecuted and everyone is out to get you or Christian people. Acknowledging science shouldn't be considered a threat to your faith unless you're attached to some kind of extremely rigid Biblical literalism. You can still believe in a creator while not denying the physics of how that creation works. Science and faith need not be mutually exclusive.
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That said, there are opinions, and then there are facts. Science is about evidence. Using the sciences of mathematics, engineering, and chemistry, we landed people on the moon, and returned them safely. Repeatedly.
I know. I was only talking about facts when they are used as "proof" that their isn't a God. I think they can prove some of if not most of the stuff in organized religion is wrong but of course when you have something like God in the mix it can make things even more confusing because if their is a God then doesn't that mean he/she, created science? God can make things that aren't possible in nature to happen because he/she is supose to be above it.
Jason
Hang on I thought the Afterlife was a swanky nightclub dug out the side of an asteroid run by a blue Asari....
Oh you mean that afterlife, no I am not sure I believe in that, or any kind of hell.
Oh you mean that afterlife, no I am not sure I believe in that, or any kind of hell.
If such a being as God exists why would it even bother to lower itself to communicate or have relations with beings like us, unless it was overtly curious to see what that would be like, or it was some spiffy game that it was indulging in for its own amusement.
As others have said such a being would be totally incomprehensible to anyone, even today let alone tribal nomads in a desert. Even if it did communicate with us now how would we even know or realize we were being talked to? Or would we?
As others have said such a being would be totally incomprehensible to anyone, even today let alone tribal nomads in a desert. Even if it did communicate with us now how would we even know or realize we were being talked to? Or would we?
To me I see it kind of like a human being worried about giving a afterlife to a ant. Their is no reason. On the otherhand we do try to preserve lower animals even if they can't comprehend us. Maybe humans have more value than we can perceive because of our limited nature.
Jason
I can accept that. So maybe there's something humans have that makes them special above other beings, but I'd love to know what that special thing is.
OK just throwing this out out there.
If there is a heaven and God and such would we meet aliens in heaven?
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There is no way to prove whether a god does or does not exist. Generally, though, without evidence to support it, claims of a god's existence (or lack thereof) can be dismissed.
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