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Food in the holodeck...

DamarsKanar

Lieutenant Commander
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Not sure if there's an answer to this but I've often wondered..when people eat in the holodeck, is it replicated food (and if so how? Do holodecks have built in replicators?) or holographic food (and if so has it any nutritional value?). Yeah I'm really not sure there's an answer to this but if anyone can think of a moment when this is addressed I'd love to know!
 
The holodeck is part replicator anyway - any time a person is required to interact with something on the holodeck beyond simple touch, it's replicated. That's how Wesley got soaked when he fell in the water in Encounter at Farpoint, and why he stayed soaked after leaving - replicated water.

I'd seriously recommend looking for a copy of the TNG Technical Manual which answers a lot of questions about the tech on the show and was written by the show's tech advisors, so is about as close to canon as you can get if something isn't explained on-screen.
 
The holodeck is the ultimate in user-friendliness. An important part of the illusion it provides seems to be that it makes plenty of decisions on its own, without requiring user input. We don't learn of a "default" nature of food or drink, but no doubt the user can select between real and unreal, naturally fattening vs. unnaturally unfattening vs. perhaps unnaturally superfattening for all we know.

The means to achieve it all certainly seem to be there. Whether all models of holodeck would have all the means available, though... Riker is impressed with the E-D holodecks at first, suggesting he was used to something less elaborate, and further suggesting that every holodeck might suffer from unique limitations even within a given era. It's just that we have no way of telling, not until the characters themselves comment on, say, the taste or the nutritional value of the food.

Timo Saloniemi
 
If you were going to eat the food, would it not be replicated, similar to what comes out of the cabin replicators?
 
I'm not sure purely holographic food would have any taste. Though I guess the holographic lung business proves hologram matter can have chemical interactions with real matter.

If holographic organs can metabolize real matter then it should have been possible to free Moriarty by giving him full holographic organs and feeding him real food, oxygen and water so the composition of his body gradually transitions from holographic to real.
 
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I'm not sure purely holographic food would have any taste. Though I guess the holographic lung business proves hologram matter can have chemical interactions with real matter.

If holographic organs can metabolize real matter then it should have been possible to free Moriarty by giving him full holographic organs and feeding him real food, oxygen and water so the composition of his body gradually transitions from holographic to real.
Yeah I'm not sure about that actually...I mean it seems like surely holographic organs couldn't metabolise or interact properly with real organs...when Neelix had a holographic lung he had to be in an isotropic restraint so presumably there is SOME kind of issue with connectivity between organic and holographic.
 
Why the hell would anyone want "holographic food"? There's literally no reason for it. When you're on the holodeck and you eat, the computer replicates real food. End of story.
 
Why the hell would anyone want "holographic food"? There's literally no reason for it. When you're on the holodeck and you eat, the computer replicates real food. End of story.
Well obviously it wouldn't be ideal or substantial or have nutritional value...but theoretically could it not have flavour? And if it did, could people just..I don't know, eat as much as they like and never get fat? I'm sure it's supposed to be replicated and everything, but I am not sure whether holographic food is so out there. If seemingly everything else (including actual people and replacement organs) can be holographic and be experienced sensorially by those in the holodeck, then it doesn't seem a stretch for food to be too. Although of course it would have no nutritional value, just texture and taste (I assume).
 
Why the hell would anyone want "holographic food"? There's literally no reason for it. When you're on the holodeck and you eat, the computer replicates real food. End of story.
Eating food could be part of the narrative of the holodeck's story, but the user doesn't want to actually eat, having just had their actual meal or are trying to watch the weight or whatever. Or maybe the food being served in the holodeck program is something they don't like or are even allergic to. In these scenarios, a holographic food option would be useful.
 
While entertainment today works largely by satisfying our need for visuals (and to a lesser degree a soundscape), one would think that a key part of a truly immersive VR environment would be the subliminal cues of smells. Our primary sense of vision tells us the cold facts (and mercilessly reveals any shortcomings in the simulation); our tertiary sense of smell/taste would be what helps us get over the unreality of it all, making us feel "at home" in a flawed visual simulation.

Early holodecks would no doubt rely on injection of preexisting chemicals from suitable tanks via appropriate means (even a visually camouflaged hose would work fine, I guess). Later models might tailor the chemicals on the spot, ultimately by using replicators. And it's even possible in the Trek environment that the molecules would be "virtual", stimulating our olfactory sense without actually being the chemicals they pretend to be, and ceasing to exist as the computer turns off the power.

Holographic food would be a cheap byproduct of the technology vitally important to holographic sex, then. It could enrich certain simulations while being irrelevant to others. As suggested above, people might not want to eat certain types of food for real - say, about 100% of the foods available in realistic historical simulations of Earth cultures, and about 100% of the foods available in simulations of alien cultures!

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm not sure purely holographic food would have any taste. Though I guess the holographic lung business proves hologram matter can have chemical interactions with real matter.

If holographic organs can metabolize real matter then it should have been possible to free Moriarty by giving him full holographic organs and feeding him real food, oxygen and water so the composition of his body gradually transitions from holographic to real.
Yeah I'm not sure about that actually...I mean it seems like surely holographic organs couldn't metabolise or interact properly with real organs...when Neelix had a holographic lung he had to be in an isotropic restraint so presumably there is SOME kind of issue with connectivity between organic and holographic.
Yeah, I'd imagine it's just medical holograms that go down to the cellular level, although I guess some tinkering with Moriarty's program couldn't hurt (assuming he trusted the Ent crew to do as they say).
Also, doesn't it take something like seven years for all the molecules to replace themselves?
 
If anyone has ever been in a holodeck and unaware of it, there must be full taste and smell feedback.

There must be some kind of intelligent algorithm that decides when to simulate and when to replicate.
 
It wouldn't have to be that intelligent, I would imagine. And it probably isn't if it can get overriden at the plot's convenience when they need to do another dangerous Holodeck episode.
 
So I am on the holodeck and get a sandwich. I give it to Holo-Person. They eat it. Chew, swallow, etc. where does it go?

I prick a holo-person. Do they bleed? Is that replicated? Can I use it for a transfusion?
 
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