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Zachary Quinto: ‘No Guarantees’ For Another Star Trek Film
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I'm not saying they/we wouldn't show up, I'm just saying that thinking along the lines of "we can make any movie we want and even if they don't like it, we can still count on their money" isn't the best strategy/way to treat your loyal fanbase in the long run.
Yet, they didn't want to see Beyond. Which I think is a highly entertaining movie.
They were probably asking themselves 'Beyond what'? Considering how poorly the film was promoted. STID got much better publicity.
A bit off-topic, but: You are 100% right. And that's what made the Cardassians great villains! They are a militaristic dictatorship, almost fascists. The perfect villain for an optimistic, utopian Federation!
They are what made the klingons great in TOS, before they were rebooted into space vikings. They are what the Ferengi should have been. They aren't necessarily good movie villains, where you need a single bad guy. For ST4 the klingons would be preferable. But they were perfect in TNG at the time.
You do realize the "fanbase" isn't a monolithic entity? I think I would qualify as a "loyal" fan (as I look at my 1701 poster on the wall next to my computer desk), and pretty much disagree with everything you say.
They have to make the best movie they can. Making it for "the fanbase" is a fools errand.
Yet they tried something new with Beyond and people didn't really turn up did they?
They tried something new and forgot to promote it. If STID was treated the same way the same thing might have happened. Beyond was treated like the bastard child of Star Trek.
I keep hearing this, but what I saw doesn't match with what you are saying. There was plenty of TV advertising here in the US. Beyond was even promoted with the MLB All-Star game...
http://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2016/07/12/star-trek-beyond-home-run-derby-commercial/
Seems folks try to blame the marketing for Beyond's under performance. I'm not sure that's the case.
I agree fandom can't be considered a single entity, and yes, making a film just for the fanbase would be disasterous. Going back to my original point, it needs to appeal to a wide range of the audience, and cater for both new and old fans alike.
That's why I love '09 so much. From a tecnhical point of view It had so many boxes to tick in appealing to hardcore Trek fans, moderate Trek fans, and a whole new audience who had never seen Star Trek before, and largely succeeded on every count.
The US is not the only place STB was shown.
But it was where it badly under performed.
Could be general audiences weren't impressed with what they saw in the advertising. Which was very indicative of the movie we got.
Pine and Cumberbatch did the chat show circuit in the UK on a popular show called The Graham Norton show. There was fun talk about their fans (Pine nuts and Cumber bitches). I think Urban did some promotion, STID was big news in the UK maybe cos Benedict was in it, I don't know.
STB not much fuss made, even though it had a big British star playing the villain (Idris Elba v Benedict Cumberbatch now whats the main difference.....mmmmm.????). Urban did a radio interview that I caught by accident, only cos my radio in the kitchen is always on. If it was not for that I would never know the movie existed.
STB not much fuss made, even though it had a big British star playing the villain (Idris Elba v Benedict Cumberbatch now whats the main difference.....mmmmm.????). Urban did a radio interview that I caught by accident, only cos my radio in the kitchen is always on. If it was not for that I would never know the movie existed.
Yep, I hardly saw anything here in the UK, pretty much all of what I got was because I already subscribe to sci fi twitter feeds etc. I really think they missed out not making more of Pegg co-writing it. He's a proper home grown talent whose rise to fame wasnt just inspired by, but actually utilised his own fandom in things like Spaced, and even Hot Fuzz shows how everyone bases their lives around pop culture.
I think the first two were more... intense, for want of a better description, on the big screen at least. It's something JJ is very good at, at the expense of logic sometimes. Beyond is in many ways the better film, but I think there was something a bit... generic about it if I'm being really critical. I also didn't feel the peril of STID or the freshness of ST09. I still really love the film though and I feel it's still overall as good, just slightly different.
Nominal differences that don't amount to much in the Lidsville of Forehead Aliens.
No, seriously, they're really interchangeable. Ever wonder why the Klingons have Birds of Prey? See the development of Star Trek III. From http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Klingon_Bird-of-Prey:
As originally conceived, the Klingon variant of the Bird-of-Prey was actually a Romulan ship; the script of Star Trek III at first called for the film's main villains to be Romulans using a Romulan Bird-of-Prey, as had been typical of Bird-of-Prey use in Star Trek: The Original Series.
Basically, any story involving Cardassians could be rewritten with the Klingons or Romulans substituted in, with only minor tweaking.
I watched that the night before STID was released and up until that point was totally unspoiled. Then they go and show the brig clip... 'I can give you 72' and that just confirmed 100% it was Khan.
They had a big (and likely expensive) opening for the movie in London. I also see articles on British websites in the leadup to the film.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/20...e-stars-arrive-for-the-premiere/lydia-wilson/
Here in the US:
http://adage.com/article/film/paramount-partners-corporate-brands-star-trek-promo/304932/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/20...e-stars-arrive-for-the-premiere/lydia-wilson/
Here in the US:
http://adage.com/article/film/paramount-partners-corporate-brands-star-trek-promo/304932/
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