CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[muCephi]

I think this is correct.

Hell, if you really want out of a lease, know what you do?

You break it. Yes, you end up in court. So it's courteous to at least mention to the landlord that you have to move, etc. and hope they'll either work with you before suing you or will cut the rent so you can make an early exit, particularly if you can line up a replacement tenant for them. But this has happened before in the history of the universe.

Axanar has an albatross wrt/ lease breaking - they would have to do a lot to 'return the facility in the state it was before the lease'. Technically, if the offices weren't there, if a lighting grid wasn't there, if flooring that isn't suitable to warehouse machines weren't there, if the owner doesn't like green, etc, etc, then pissing off the landlord rather than introducing them to someone with the money to finish the buildout and rent at a higher price would be dumb.

Mr. Landlord, meet Mr. Behind the Scenes All Along.

 

[dmac]

Hell, if you really want out of a lease, know what you do?

I've been through this before. I leased a warehouse for 3 years and outgrew it after one. You could sub lease it or in my case I went back to the landlord and put the building up for lease with his property manager. Once an acceptable new tenant was found, my lease was voided.

 

[Noname Given]

AXANAR IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE STUDIO ANYMORE

Oh. My. God.

Alec launches an IGG for....wait for it....A STUDIO on a Monday - and then on WEDNESDAY says he doesn't need a studio!! AND PEOPLE STILL GIVE HIM MONEY.

Let me repeat Alec's own words:

AXANAR IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE STUDIO ANYMORE

I agree with you.

In that Facebook screencap Alec Peters effectively states:

- The new Indegogo campaign is for the Studio (Not 'Axanar')

- They DON'T NEED said studio to complete the two 15 minute segments that will be 'Axanar' (Even though Axanar is MENTIONED in the pitch video AND in the pitch text; and they even have a shot of Star Trek Continues set on the page for the campaign from when Alec got their assistance in filming his unreleased "Origins" vignette which I'M sure he'll use footage from for 'Axanar' at this point.)

- The location they have (IE the one Alec Peters spent $500K in donor funds renovating and trying to bring up to code - which as I understand it, it's STILL not to code, nor is any pafrt of it soundproofed) is more expensive then they like so unless they get $200K, they will 'relocate' - and even if they get $200K they still 'may' relocate (let's just cut to through the BS and say they will relocate once Alec Peters is free and clear of the current Lease that he NEVER HAS used his own personal money to pay for - no matter how much he claims to the contrary.)
^^^
So, yeah, either his sycophants can't read, or are so exceedingly stupid, they believe anything that comes out of Alec Peters mouth (including the posts I've seen by some claiming Alec 'won' the C/P V Axanar lawsuit); and the people donating just watched the pitch video and didn't bother to read anything on the page; or look into any of the history behind this mess.

I guess what still irks me to this day is we have a clear Con man (Alec Peters) proving that there are enough truly STUPID people to the point that - hey, Crime does pay. <--- And that's just disgusting.

 

[Search4]

Hmmm Georgia. STC is in Georgia. They have a lovely set up. I wonder.

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

and CHarls only donated $10 himself.

You're right. I read your post and looked at the donor roster/list/thing:

Shane Vansen donates $25, speaks politely

Chrls Brto donates $10, demeans and berates

Well, isn't that special.

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[Krandor]

See I'm not even sure what it is he wants to do with the studio. First it was to make Axanar which isn't going to happen. Then he wanted to lease it to commercial operations but they were not intersted and it wasn't up to code.

Now he doesn't want to be in the soundstage business but wants a place fan films can come and use permanently setup sets with the rent paid bu donors so he doesn't have to rent it out commercials (and it is in the IGG he actually doesn't want to rent it out). However isn't that basically what Starbase Studios already does? A place anybody who wants to film a Star Trek film can come and film at? So why do we need Industry Studios?

I am at a loss figuring out how Industry Studios be it in CA or GA is an assett to ANYBODY.

 

[9gs]

Hmmm Georgia. STC is in Georgia. They have a lovely set up. I wonder.

Wonder what? Vic would torch it B4 he let AP use it.

 

[Krandor]

Hmmm Georgia. STC is in Georgia. They have a lovely set up. I wonder.

Alec would probably be best off not even going anywehere near the STC sets. I don't think it would end well for him.

The STC people have no love whatever for AP and Axanar.

 

[Noname Given]

I think this is correct.

Hell, if you really want out of a lease, know what you do?

You break it. Yes, you end up in court. So it's courteous to at least mention to the landlord that you have to move, etc. and hope they'll either work with you before suing you or will cut the rent so you can make an early exit, particularly if you can line up a replacement tenant for them. But this has happened before in the history of the universe.

^^^
Except by law, he (Alec Peters) is on the hook for the full cost of the lease (and who knows - maybe the landlord would rather it JUST BE a warehouse - meaning Alec is on the hook for the cost of removing the unwanted renovations.

Plus if Alec breaks the lease and ends up in court, I don't think he'll be able to get pro bono representation for that one; and further, any crowdfunding would have to be of the type:

"Hey help me pay off the Judgement against me for breaking the lease and removing unwanted renovations..."
^^^
This doesn't sound as good as his current Indegogo pitch (where the funds will go to the same things I talked about above anyway, minus the non-existent court case because he's not breaking the lease) of:

"Hey help me pay rent for an independent studio that fan film makers and schools can use (Oh, BTW even if I do get enough I'm probably abandoning the current studio anyway, but as I didn't mention this in the video or in the first few paragraphs of my pitch you guys won't read about that anyway, so I'm good...)"

 

[Krandor]

^^^

"Hey help me pay rest for an independent studio that fan film makers and schools can use (Oh, BTW even if I do get enough I'm probably abandoning the current studio anyway, but as I didn't mentikon this in the video or in the first few paragraphs of my pitch you guys won't read about that anyway, so I'm good...)"

So basically the onluy people who can actually use it to make their fan film are pretty much productions who are ready to film NOW. If you are not ready to film right now, it may not be there when you are ready.

 

[urbandefault]

they even have a shot of Star Trek Continues set on the page for the campaign from when Alec got their assistance in filming his unreleased "Origins" vignette

I thought that was NV/P2, not STC.

 

[muCephi]

So basically the onluy people who can actually use it to make their fan film are pretty much productions who are ready to film NOW. If you are not ready to film right now, it may not be there when you are ready.

and wouldn't this come under the category of making false claims to donors?

front page "fund our effort to have a sustainable nonprofit operation in a paid for facility kitted out for films"
back page "we will move shortly if we dont get these campaigns fully funded 3-5x/year"

 

[Noname Given]

So basically the onluy people who can actually use it to make their fan film are pretty much productions who are ready to film NOW. If you are not ready to film right now, it may not be there when you are ready.

^^^
BINGO!

I thought that was NV/P2, not STC.

Well, the photo has Vic Mignogna in the shot, so I assumed ST:Continues. Was he playing Kirk for NV/P2 at any time before he started ST:C?

 

[wtriker1701]

All that donors or potential donors need to know is, that AP is a "persona non grata" among the Star Trek fan film community. That word needs to get out. And loudly, so!

 

[jespah]

^^^
Except by law, he (Alec Peters) is on the hook for the full cost of the lease (and who knows - maybe the landlord would rather it JUST BE a warehouse - meaning Alec is on the hook for the cost of removing the unwanted renovations.

Plus if Alec breaks the lease and ends up in court, I don't think he'll be able to get pro bono representation for that one; and further, any crowdfunding would have to be of the type:

"Hey help me pay off the Judgement against me for breaking the lease and removing unwanted renovations..."
^^^
This doesn't sound as good as his current Indegogo pitch (where the funds will go to the same things I talked about above anyway, minus the non-existent court case because he's not breaking the lease) of:

"Hey help me pay rent for an independent studio that fan film makers and schools can use (Oh, BTW even if I do get enough I'm probably abandoning the current studio anyway, but as I didn't mention this in the video or in the first few paragraphs of my pitch you guys won't read about that anyway, so I'm good...)"

True - plus he has a lousy credit rating and may be on the hook for any number of other things if he tries to breach the lease. Just a thought. But still, ¡ay caramba! Quelle poor business decision.*

*Yeah, I just mangled two languages in this post (three, if you count English).

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

I just checked back in on the IndieGoGo comment page and discovered I'd missed getting a screen capture of a comment that has now been deleted. This newest comment there explains it:

What just happened? Mr. Peters, why did you remove Steven Fender’s comment and my question to him? Removing comments and questions from contributors seems disingenuous at the very least.

His comment was:
“below Origins should come with a disclaimer: (These views and opinions were recorded a year ago, and do not necessarily reflect the current views or opinions of those who were being interviewed… one of them at least).”

Did anyone get a screen cap of that now deleted comment? If so will you load it here so I can get a copy of it too.

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

This just gets weirder and weirder...

Indeed

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

Hmmm Georgia. STC is in Georgia. They have a lovely set up. I wonder.

ax'd-we-are's January 4, 2015, Official Podcast: #15 'Stepping Into Eden' mentions this.

rmb & defendantGarth are extolling the just signed lease for the Valencia CO warehouse that is to become money pit studios.

04:59 "And We're Not In The Middle Of Nowhere Like The Fan Productions Are; you know STNV and StarTrek Continues.

Basically they each have 11,000sq.ft. facilities In The Middle Of Nowhere where they're paying next to nothing as a monthly lease.

Here in L.A., in the heart of Hollywood and The Industry that doesn't exist. So We Got A Great Deal on our space considering that we're paying $12,000 a month for a 16,000sq.ft. facility. So that's a Very Good Rate Here In California."

[Recent Research & Fact Checking that area by @jespah and others in this Thread has debunked and disproven to be fallacy that 'Very Good Rate Here In California']

 

[muCephi]

ax'd-we-are's January 4, 2015, Official Podcast: #15 'Stepping Into Eden' mentions this.

rmb & defendantGarth are extolling the just signed lease for the Valencia CO warehouse that is to become money pit studios.


[Recent Research & Fact Checking that area by @jespah and others in this Thread has debunked and disproven to be fallacy that 'Very Good Rate Here In California']

04:59 "And We're Not In The Middle Of Nowhere Like The Fan Productions Are; you know STNV and StarTrek Continues.​

Oh, Axanar Productions is definitely in the Middle of Nowhere.
That strategy to simply buy into the middle of everywhere
had a few flaws.

 

[Mr. Nova]

"Night on Disco Mountain" and "A Fifth of Beethoven" -- nothing says "intellectual" like adding a disco beat to classical music!

Remember the "Hooked on..." series? "Hooked on Classics"; "Hooked on Bethoven"; "Hooked on Hank Williams"? (Actually, I made the last one up.)