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Who is going to win this election in November?

Who will win the general presidential election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 37 22.7%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 126 77.3%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
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I don't have a desire to dress like anyone. My brain is literally wired in a way opposite to how my body looks. We have scientific evidence for this.

As for religious freedom, where do we draw the line? Do we just exclude gay and trans people from being treated equally because some religious people object to our existence? Or can a person object to serving a black couple or an interracial couple for religious reasons?
While I am not a religious person at all, I was raised in my youth to be Catholic. Christians are not supposed to hate the "sinner." Judgement is ultimately left to God. But, when you're talking about gay marriage, you're talking about celebrating a practice that Christians believe to be a sin. Passing laws that force religious people to participate is a conflict for some people.
 
While I am not a religious person at all, I was raised in my youth to be Catholic. Christians are not supposed to hate the "sinner." Judgement is ultimately left to God. But, when you're talking about gay marriage, you're talking about celebrating a practice that Christians believe to be a sin. Passing laws that force religious people to participate is a conflict for some people.
Hate the sin, love the sinner is code for hate the sinner. I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church, I know how religious people think. It assumes that gay people can stop being gay and trans people can stop being trans, that it's a choice. In case you don't know, it's not a choice. If it were, no one would be either because people like you make our lives a living hell for something we have no control over. We just want to live our lives in peace. Assuming your god exists and made me, knowing everything I'd feel and do. He made me transgender and put me in a time and place where I'm a second class citizen. If he were somehow against me, why would he do that? Am I supposed to be punished in life before an eternity in Hell? Maybe your god doesn't have a problem with gay and trans people, which is why he keeps making them. Maybe the only people with a problem is his followers who are blinded by hate and want to hide behind religion. You want to have your cross and burn it too.

Now answer my question and don't try to weasel out of it. Does your religious freedom extend to racism or is it limited to homophobia and transphobia?
 
I've never been able to understand why peoples choices of who they sleep with matters. Why should that matter any more than which car a person buys?

But we are a prejudiced lot, us Americans. Which is a shame.

But whatever. Trump is eventually going to show his true colors, and not all Republicans are going to like what they see. You can count on that.
 
Hate the sin, love the sinner is code for hate the sinner. I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church, I know how religious people think. It assumes that gay people can stop being gay and trans people can stop being trans, that it's a choice. In case you don't know, it's not a choice. If it were, no one would be either because people like you make our lives a living hell for something we have no control over.
Oh, I have never perceived it as a choice. I know it's not a choice because I couldn't be gay or trans if I wanted to be. I am well aware that it is biology and not choice.

We just want to live our lives in peace. Assuming your god exists and made me, knowing everything I'd feel and do. He made me transgender and put me in a time and place where I'm a second class citizen. If he were somehow against me, why would he do that? Am I supposed to be punished in life before an eternity in Hell? Maybe your god doesn't have a problem with gay and trans people, which is why he keeps making them. Maybe the only people with a problem is his followers who are blinded by hate and want to hide behind religion. You want to have your cross and burn it too.

Now answer my question and don't try to weasel out of it. Does your religious freedom extend to racism or is it limited to homophobia and transphobia?
I am not religious. I stopped practicing Catholicism decades ago. But, there is definitely nothing in the bible that justifies discriminating against a race of people. Nor does it justify treating someone who is homosexual or trans to be less than human. Christians who treat people less than human are failing at their own religious values. But, asking someone to celebrate something they perceive as a sin is complicated.
 
Oh, I have never perceived it as a choice. I know it's not a choice because I couldn't be gay or trans if I wanted to be. I am well aware that it is biology and not choice.


I am not religious. I stopped practicing Catholicism decades ago. But, there is definitely nothing in the bible that justifies discriminating against a race of people. Nor does it justify treating someone who is homosexual or trans to be less than human. Christians who treat people less than human are failing at their own religious values. But, asking someone to celebrate something they perceive as a sin is complicated.
How can I celebrate someone who hates me and wishes to deny me basic human rights? Should black people celebrate the KKK, should Jewish people celebrate Nazis?

Are you even capable of wrapping your head around how heartless and cruel this is?
 
The Bible has been used for justifying and rationalizing any horrible thing humans can imagine. People treat the Bible like a Sundary brunch - they choose what they like and ignore what they do not like.

There was an article at Listverse listing the ten reasons Trump won. The reasons they list are:
* GOP failures
* Democrat failures
* Anger at elites
* American anxiety
* White anger
* Riding the zeitgeist
* Hunger for change
* Catastrophic polling errors
* The FBI's "October Surprise"
* Trump played the media like a pro

http://listverse.com/2016/11/09/10-reasons-trump-won/
 
How can I celebrate someone who hates me and wishes to deny me basic human rights? Should black people celebrate the KKK, should Jewish people celebrate Nazis?

Are you even capable of wrapping your head around how heartless and cruel this is?
I wouldn't expect you to. The "celebration" I'm referring to is the baker contributing by making a wedding cake for a gay wedding reception.
 
I am a Christian. However, I did not agree with the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. What I support is what John Kasich (whom I supported until he dropped out) said at one of the debates. (I'm paraphrasing here) Christians should give service to LGBT customers and then afterwards they can pray for them. I agree with this because LGBT people will not get discriminated against and Christians aren't getting their religion violated.
 
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Gingrich is a former Speaker of the House who is a trusted Trump surrogate and on the shortlist for Secretary of State and said on Trump's behalf during the campaign that the House should reinstate the House Un-American Activities Committee (or a similar body) for the purpose of interrogating, blacklisting, and deporting Muslims. He's got enormous influence in the Trump administration and with his former colleagues in the House, he's got Republican control of the House, Senate, executive branch and possibly even the Supreme Court soon enough. He doesn't have to be in the House itself to have influence in convincing them to implement Trump's policies.

The very fact that he suggested bringing back something so intimately and negatively linked with Red Scare fearmongering, blacklisting, and legislative corruption and was not only not immediately laughed off the campaign and disqualified from further office but is now in line to be our Secretary of State and in charge of diplomacy of all things should give people on both sides of the aisle pause. Once the Red Scare fervor died down in the late 50s (though HUAC lasted longer and continued in different forms) HUAC's kangaroo court behavior was condemned by politicians on both sides and called the most Un-American thing about the whole situation by Truman, yet we have a major political figure in the President-elects cabinet shortlist proposing it as a serious idea and not immediately being dismissed from consideration. I don't get how anyone, Republican or Democrat or other, can not find that scary as hell.


Wasn't the original version the thing McCarthy was doing in the 50s?

Surely even they they could tell this was wrong couldn't they?

How did McCarthy get so much power?
 
I am a Christian. However, I did not agree with the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. What I support is what John Kasich (whom I supported until he dropped out) said at one of the debates. (I'm paraphrasing here) Christians should give service to LGBT customers and then afterwards they can pray for them. I agree with this because LGBT people will not get discriminated against and Christians aren't getting their religion violated.
John Kasich would have been a far superior choice to the one we have now. I don't agree with him on many things, but he's open minded, he's willing to listen, and when a law does go into effect, he accepts it. He's also a decent governor.
 
Does Russia want the US to pull NATO troops out?

Found this rather odd video about this.

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Howcome there's still a million votes to count yet the election is over?

Because you win by state and the Electoral College not by number of votes cast nationally.

Each state has a number attatched to it. If you win the most votes in a state, you get that many points.
There arent enough points left to gain for Clinton to win.
 
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