Who is going to win this election in November?

[ancient]

You aren't worth the effort.

Well that was productive.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Well that was productive.

I'm sorry you wasted so much energy on something so minor.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Well that was productive.

You have to actually say something of substance for her to have something productive to add to it or refute it. She has made plenty of productive posts throughout the thread, including some dealing with her concerns regarding Trump's presidency and its effect on the public and the law and her personal life, and you have responded with nothing but disdain and mockery. Try having some empathy for her situation and discussing things seriously and respectfully and I guarantee that she would be perfectly willing to do the same in response.


Edited because I was a dumbass. Apologies to Possum.

 

[ancient]

I'm sorry you wasted so much energy on something so minor.

Apology accepted.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Apology accepted.

It wasn't an apology, it was pity.

 

[urbandefault]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/us/politics/white-house-transition-obama-trump.html?_r=0

“I want to emphasize to you, Mr. President-elect, that we now are going to want to do everything we can to help you succeed because if you succeed, then the country succeeds,” Mr. Obama told Mr. Trump as the two sat side-by-side after the roughly 90-minute meeting. The president called the session “excellent” and wide-ranging.

Mr. Trump, who said he had never met Mr. Obama before and expected the meeting to last only 10 or 15 minutes, said it had been a “great honor” to sit with the president.

“We discussed a lot of different situations, some wonderful and some difficulties. I very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future, including counsel,” Mr. Trump said.

The campaign is over. The system, whether one agrees with it or not, is working as designed. There's no need to turn this into a civil war.

 

[ancient]

It wasn't an apology, it was pity.

Apology not accepted.

 

[JWPlatt]

Chancellor Gorkon: "Well, I see we have a long way to go."

 

[Tallguy]

Chancellor Gorkon: "Well, I see we have a long way to go."

Ok, that wasn't bad.

 

[Phoenix219]

I would contribute to this thread, but I wouldn't want to piss off the thought police.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I would contribute to this thread, but I wouldn't want to piss off the thought police.

So brave.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Hilary's popular vote is now over 60 million people. She could not get more voters for numerous reasons, the most important being she was an uninspiring candidate. I knew she was in trouble for a long time, for she was not flexible and adaptive. Then, she could not explain her positions quickly. When she constantly said in the debates, check my website, to me, it was an indication she did not know how to explain her policies. She could not implement KISS (Keep it simple, stupid).

My hope is that the Republicans will leave HIlary alone for the foreseeable future. She is not a threat against them - she is done in the political arena. It is a vain hope as I have heard that Chaffetz will continue investigations into her e-mails.

This is the fifth time in our country's history where the popular vote was bested by the electoral college. The other times were 1824, 1876, 1888, and 2000.

I am worried that in a year I will have lost medical insurance (I am disabled) and I will have lost SSI/SSD for the Republicans are not doing anything to keep it solvent.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

And will the USA now start moving backwards?

What about all the stuff Trump wants to repeal like Abortion laws and changing all those? How is this in any way, shape, or form a modern government?

I feel bad for all the LGBT people who probably won't feel safe over the next 4 years. No rights for you guys that's gonna suck.

 

[Sgt_G]

My hope is that the Republicans will leave HIlary alone for the foreseeable future. She is not a threat against them - she is done in the political arena. It is a vain hope as I have heard that Chaffetz will continue investigations into her e-mails.

I said in another topic the best thing Trump can do on Day One is issue an Executive Order to stop all investigations into Hillary Clinton. It's time to look forward and move forward, and put this issue behind us. Unfortunately, he can't order Congress to shut down their inquires. He can publicly ask them to, but can't order them to. However, if he issues a Pardon, like Ford gave Nixon a Pardon even though there were no formal charges filed, Congress would have little reason to continue.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Hey The Prez is getting a victory parade.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/po...ns-blogs/under-the-dome/article113915898.html

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I would contribute to this thread, but I wouldn't want to piss off the thought police.

Wouldn't be a proper TrekBBS argument without someone bringing up Orwell.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

This was posted in a private Facebook group today. Unfortunately, it is not the only horror story I have heard today. (The emphasis is mine.)

"I’m a cancer researcher and physician, here at National Harbor, D.C., for the Society of Immunotherapy for Cancer conference. Late this morning, I was out for a jog along the walking path and, as I passed a group of men (there were 3 of them) eating their lunches outside the McDonald's beside the route, one of them yelled "Who owns your pussy now?"
"I wish I could have given them an earful. But I did not. I could not. I was too stunned, and working too hard to hold back the choking sobs as tears came streaming down my face. I just told myself to keep running. I told myself to not let this stop me from what I wanted, which was a moment of respite.
"But, my mind is replaying the incident over and over again and I keep thinking about what I wish I had said....what I wish I could have thought of in that moment to shut it down and jog away victorious. But that's not what happened. I ran a little longer hoping that, on my way back to my hotel (I would have to run by that spot again), that they would be gone. And, I feel bad about that, too....that I let them get to me and that I couldn't just summon whatever it was that I needed to summon to face them on the way back if I had to. I just didn't have it in me today
"We need to call upon every person who is a decent human being to speak out whenever this kind of thing happens in their presence. It was only one voice that shouted from those 3 men…..and I can’t help but wonder….what if one of his buddies said “Dude, stop being an asshole. That was not okay. What the Hell is wrong with you?”
"Part of living in a free society is the ability to freely express our ideas, no matter how aweful (unless one is inciting violence and seeking to infringe upon another's civil rights). I don’t think it would be right for us to use policing or government to stop this kind of thing. It is up to each and every one of us to let people who believe that this kind of behavior is OK, to know that We The People reject them. We The People must teach all of our sons what it means to be a real man. Real men don't do this, nor do they allow it to happen in their presence. We The People are the only thing that will stop this. We The [Decent] People will prevail.
"P.S. I have been asked whether it is OK to share this post. Thank you all for asking and Yes, please do feel free to share. And please do not worry about identification. I am okay with being identified. These experiences are more real to those who would not believe them if there isn't a face, or a name. I am okay with being identified. Again, thank you all for your caring and support. I've really needed it today."

What scares me the most is not what Trump himself says and does, but the permission that he has given others to say and do despicable things. As a woman... with a disability... who has been raped... who is a Jew by ancestry... who lives on a street with four neighbors who fly Confederate battle flags (until about a year ago, there was only one)... whose friends and family are a motley crew of races, religions, and ethnicities... I am terrified.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

So, here are some of the proposals for Trump's cabinet:

Transition Chair: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) is currently leading Trump’s transition efforts, but if he no longer can ― he’s been tainted, for example, by the Bridgegate scandal ― tech billionaire Peter Thiel could replace him. Thiel secretly funded Hulk Hogan’s lawsuit that took down Gawker.com and once wrote that women getting the vote was bad for democracy.

White House Chief of Staff: Two top candidates for this leading role are believed to be Reince Priebus, the Republican National Committee chairman, and Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s first campaign manager who is currently a paid commentator for CNN. Steve Bannon, the chairman of the conservative Breitbart News who took a leave to be Trump’s campaign CEO, is another contender. Bannon’s website has peddled some of the major alt-right conspiracy theories and spread the vitriolic rhetoric that fueled Trump’s rise. Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway and veteran conservative operative David Bossie are other possibilities.

Attorney General: Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) is frequently talked about as a contender. Giuliani told CNN Thursday he would consider the job “if it really was just me and I couldn’t point to three others that would be just as good or better.” New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has also been talked about as a front-runner, as have Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi (R). During the campaign, questions were raised about whether Trump improperly made campaign contributions to Bondi’s re-election effort to influence whether she investigated allegations against Trump University.

The attorney general oversees the Justice Department and enforces areas like civil rights. Giuliani has boasted that he made New York “safe” by implementing “stop and frisk,” a policing method that disproportionately affects black people and Latinos. He has also said “anything’s legal” during war. Two of Christie’s former top aides were recently convicted of conspiracy and fraud in the Bridgegate scandal, and their testimony has implicated the governor in their schemes.

Secretary of State: Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) are reportedly under consideration for this top job.

Defense Secretary: Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), one of Trump’s earliest supporters, has been mentioned as a possible defense secretary, as has retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who has also been floated as national security adviser. Although Flynn is being talked about, he actually can’t be Defense Secretary yet because he hasn’t been retired from the military for enough time. Other names are Stephen Hadley, who served as a top national security official to President George W. Bush; Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr. (R-Calif.) and former Sen. Jim Talent (R-Mo.).

Homeland Security Secretary: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke are on the list for this position. Clarke, who is African-American, has been a forceful critic of the Black Lives Matter movement and spoke at the Republican National Convention. He also called for Trump supporters to bring out “pitchforks and torches” to fight a rigged system. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) is also a possible pick. The department includes the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency that the senator argues should ramp up its deportations.

Interior Secretary: Forrest Lucas, a California oil executive, is considered a top contender. Venture capitalist Robert Grady and fracking mogul Harold Hamm are also being discussed, as are three women: former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R), Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R).

Treasury Secretary: Steven Mnuchin, the former Goldman Sachs executive who was finance chair of Trump’s campaign, is reportedly on the short list. Trump received a significant amount of criticism when he unveiled his 13-member economic advisory team in August. There were six men named Steve on the list ― including Mnuchin ― but not a single woman. JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon is also under consideration, although he has said he would not be interested in the role. Other names are Wall Street veteran Carl Icahn and Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas), who is chair of the House Financial Services Committee.

Education Secretary: Neurosurgeon and former GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson is being discussed for this post, as is Hoover Institution fellow Williamson Evers, who also worked in the Education Department during George W. Bush’s administration.

Commerce Secretary: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and former Sen. Jim Talent (R-Mo.) make this list as well, as do former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R), former Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) and Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.). In the business world, financier Lew Eisenberg ― who also chaired a joint fundraising committee for Trump and the Republican National Committee ― is being discussed, along with the former CEO of steelmaker Nucor Dan DiMicco and billionaire investor Wilbur Ross.

Health and Human Services Secretary: Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R), retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and former New Jersey state Sen. Rich Bagger (R) are the names at the top of the list.

Agriculture Secretary: One of the names on this list is Texas Agricultural Commissioner Sid Miller, who called Hillary Clinton a “cunt” on Twitter. Other names include Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R), Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman (R), former Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue (R), former Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), National Council of Farmer Cooperatives CEO Chuck Conner, agribusiness leader Charles Herbster, Indiana dairy executive Mike McCloskey, Iowa agribusiness mogul Bruce Rastetter and Indiana farmer and congressional candidate Kip Tom.

Energy Secretary: Fracking mogul Harold Hamm and venture capitalist Robert Grady are the two names most frequently mentioned.

Labor Secretary: Victoria Lipnic, commissioner of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission since 2010, is frequently mentioned for this position.

Veterans Affairs: House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Jeff Miller (R-Fla.), who is retiring from Congress, is the man most discussed for this job.[/I]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-administration-cabinet_us_58249c70e4b01019814da7f9

So much for "draining the swamp" of establishment Washington and other politicians and distancing the administration from Wall Street. Then you have a rogues gallery of criminals, soon to be criminals, authoritarians, and people who think the Earth is 3,500 years old and dinosaurs and humans lived together potentially running the Department of Education. Oh yeah, and welcome back Sarah Palin. Fantastic. I thought Trump hated quitters? I mean, he shit on John McCain for getting captured in war. What was Palin's excuse for being a quitter?

Oh, and a late addition to the Homeland Security Dept., fresh off his conviction and election loss, Sheriff Joe Arpaio!

Donald Trump’s transition team is reportedly considering Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, Sheriff David Clarke and outgoing Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio as possible nominees to head up the Department of Homeland Security.

Clarke has made a name for himself as a Fox News pundit and avid supporter of the gun lobby, using his platform in the media to attack Black Lives Matter, which he describes as a lawless, “subversive” and potentially ISIS-linked group composed of “black slime” that must be “eradicated,” and to champion the cause of anti-government militants, whom he praises as patriots.

When white supremacists murdered six people at a Sikh temple in Milwaukee County, Clarke faced criticism for being “AWOL.” In September, an inmate died of thirst in a jail run by Clarke. He reportedly begged for water “in the days before he died.”

He has also compared Beyonce to a Ku Klux Klan member, called for the Great Seal of the United States to feature a semi-automatic rifle, and repeatedly demanded a literal uprising against the government in protest of President Obama’s gun violence proposals, potential election rigging and marriage equality.

Today, Clarke tweeted that those protesting Trump’s election “must be quelled.”

Arpaio, who lost his bid for re-election on Tuesday but emerged as a frequent companion of Trump’s on the campaign trail, may have a tough road to being confirmed if he’s nominated, as he was recently charged with contempt of court after federal prosecutors said“he willfully defied a judge’s orders to stop targeting Latinos—including citizens and legal immigrants—in traffic stops and other law enforcement efforts.”

The racial profiling of Latinos is just one of the hallmarks of Arpaio’s long tenure as sheriff. As we’ve reported:

Arpaio brags about running a “concentration camp” for his detainees and has a record of withholding basic medical care from prisoners and flouting sanitary standards. His office has reportedly ignored over 400 sex-crime cases, targeted Latino residents and neighborhoods, stalked Latina women and retaliated against those who criticized Arpaio.

In one case, members of Arpaio’s department staged a hoax assassination attempt against the sheriff to enhance his popularity, framing an innocent man in the process. Arpaio hired people with records of domestic violence and child sex crimes to work in his armed “posse” guarding schools in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre.

The sheriff also tapped birther conspiracy theorists to form a “cold case posse” to investigate the truth behind President Obama’s birth certificate, and unsurprisingly concluded that it was a fake.

His most recent stunt involved having inmates wear American flags, an idea he offered while boasting that many of the people in his tent camps endure “136-degree” weather.
Given Trump’s pledges to use the government to target critics, immigrants and racial minorities, we see why both Clarke and Arpaio’s names have been floated to the press.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...rpaio-and-david-clarke-for-homeland-security/

The Joker, Lex Luthor, and Sinestro were honored to be offered positions at Homeland, State, and Education, but turned down Trump because, as they said in their joint statement, "That dude is crazy."

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

So, here are some of the proposals for Trump's cabinet:

So much for "draining the swamp" of establishment Washington and other politicians and distancing the administration from Wall Street. Then you have a rogues gallery of criminals, soon to be criminals, authoritarians, and people who think the Earth is 3,500 years old and dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time potentially running the Department of Education. Oh, yeah, and welcome back Sarah Palin, because she's totally qualified for any position whatsoever. Fantastic.

Oh, and a late addition to the Homeland Security Dept., fresh off his conviction and election loss, Sheriff Joe Arpaio!


The Joker, Lex Luthor, and Sinestro were honored to be offered positions at Homeland, State, and Education, but turned down Trump because, as they said in their joint statement, "That dude is crazy."

So you guys now have a real life Bond villain in the White House?

What was that about "Crooked Hillary?"

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Bond villains at least have the common decency to treat you to a full course dinner before they try to laser beam you in the crotch or feed you to the sharks. In my day, being a proper villain meant something. There was a code.