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For you long-time fans, did people know Nemesis would be the final TNG film pre-release?
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The key word there was 'begins.' I vividly remember when Nemesis came out in 2002 and the feeling from everyone involved with the film was that this *could* be the last one. There is no doubt in my mind if Nemesis had been a hit they would have done another one.
If you watch Nemesis there is clearly some lose threads left dangling in case of a sequel e.g. B4, refitting of the Enterprise etc.
It's hard to believe that it's the 25th anniversary of the 25th anniversary. I was 21 then. Just a punk kid.Totally. And if the last twenty five years since VI are anything to go by we'll be celebrating the 75th anniversary before we know it.
That said, I'm looking forward to the 100th anniversary. I can't wait to be 96.
I was very disappointed with Nemesis and the fact we got such a dud as the last outing for the TNG crew. Up until I saw the movie I thought there was a good chance we'd get another TNG movie and get to see Riker in command of the Titan, but after seeing the movie and box office results it was pretty clear that wasn't going to happen. It's too bad too. That Den of Geek synopsis of the planned follow-up would have been cool to see.
Nemesis was a truly terrible final outing for the TNG cast. I was one of the fans on this board who held out hope that we'd see another TNG movie because I really wanted them to have a proper ST VI send off. On the very rare occasions I have watched Nemesis over the years, I'm really struck now at how much the movie really personifies what was wrong with franchise in the early 2000s - it felt tired and half-assed. I blame a lot of what went wrong with the TNG films on Berman but that's a whole other thread.
Hey, it could have been worse. The last movie could have been Insurrection. Nemesis is a masterpiece compared to that. People tend to forget that Insurrection was so bad that after that there was nowhere to go but up. Nemesis isn't a great film true, but it's light years ahead of it's predecessor.
Conclusive yes, but that didn't stop the studio from getting Shatner, Koenig, and Doohan to appear in the next movie. Had Nemesis succeeded, the crossover movie most likely would've been next. Even if half the TNG crew was shelved, a portion of the crew would suffice if it was to mix and mingle the Voyager/DS9 crews together, just as TOS/TNG had done in 1994.
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I wasn't sure at the time. I saw Nemesis, and thought it was okay, if somewhat lackluster, but it was the box office take that convinced me the TNG cast was likely done with films.
This.
At the time of release Both Stewart and Spiner spoke openly about how the movie was set up for a sequel.
Seconded. At least Nemesis had a semblance of excitement and peril to it. For almost the entirety of Insurrection, I simply didn't give two shits what happened, especially coming off the back of the end of a few very big, entertaining series of DS9 with the Dominion War etc. Insurrection was just a limp, damp fart.
"Long time fans" and "Nemesis" ... it still feels like yesterday.
The fact that Nemesis was following Insurrection didn't help it. Like I said before, Insurrection got mixed reviews and did lower than expected box office. So there wasn't enough excitement to wait 4 years for another movie. It worked for ST09 and STID because ST09 was well received and there was a lot of buzz about the sequel.
I recently got to see Insurrection on the big screen at a local theater that is replaying all 13 Star Trek movies as part of the 50th anniversary celebrations, and I have to say my opinion of it has softened considerably. Don't get me wrong it's far from a perfect movie, but I actually had a good time watching it. I think it was a nostalgia thing and because it depicted the TNG crew having fun and so watching it was kind of like reuniting with friends you haven't seen in years. I didn't realize how much I missed the TNG cast until seeing the movie again.
Insurrection's story was weak no question about that, and it was an odd choice of follow up movie to First Contact. I agree that Nemesis was trying to do things on a more epic scale and certainly compared to the other three TNG movies, Nemesis' cinematography made it look more like a movie. I actually found at the time and in subsequent viewings that Nemesis really drags from the end of the car chase scene until the final battle at the end of the movie.
I can't seem to find it, but I remember an interview with Brent Spiner, it's probably 5 to 7 years old now, where he talked about Nemesis and said that there had been something like 4 drafts of the script but for some reason the suits (aka Berman and Paramount) decided to go with an earlier draft instead of a stronger 4th draft.
This.
When Nemesis first came out, my impression basically was that if Nemesis did well in the box office, there would be a sequel. If not, then it would be the last one. And we all know what ended up happening.
That's basically how it was for all the Trek movies, wasn't it?
Don't forget, the "a generations final journey" marketing campaign came out after the studio would have known the film was horrid, not before production started. Thus, while the initial plan may not have been for it to be the last TNG film (the inclusion of B4 supports the idea they still wanted to make more if Nemesis was financially successful) they hyped it as the TNG crews final voyage to try and sell tickets to people who won't pay to see such a crappy movie, but would pay to see Picard last outing as Captain.
I agree that Paramount's 'a generations final journey begins' campaign was largely done to get butts in the seats. It's clear that after Insurrection's underwhelming box office there was some reservation about doing another TNG movie,but I don't really believe Paramount felt that Nemesis was the bomb it ended up being. I remember Paramount heavily promoted Nemesis back in 2002, in fact I remember seeing promotional posters up for it back in the spring of 2002. Typically if a studio feels they have a dud, they don't promote it as heavily.
Sometimes. Sometimes they up the marketing campaign more than they would have to get as many people to see it opening weekend as possible before the bad word of mouth starts. It was also up against The Two Towers so no matter what a massive marketing campaign would have been needed to lure any filmgoers away from it to see Nemesis.
I don't remember how big Nemesis' marketing campaign was, but I was in a dorm room so wouldn't have seen TV ads even if they played every commercial block 24/7. But I find it difficult to believe the Paramount execs watching the dailies, hearing the drama on set, viewing the rough cuts, and reading the test screening responses would not have known how bad this film was.
Back to OP, I googled if Nemesis had press screenings. It did, and Spiner gave this quote at one:
“Hollywood is about economics and if the movie is successful, I’ll bet you we’ll be back. And if it’s not, then it’s ‘Hasta la vista, baby!’”
So it looks like they were still holding onto hope there would be more, but accepting that Nemesis was possibly it. I wonder if anyone can find similar quotes from Generations or Insurrection, or of it was pretty much a given prior to release there would be sequels to them.
