I'd argue it's a better ending. It gave the story tiem to breath and in the end left the viewer to make their own mind up, rather than lead them by the nose with stuffy Ready Room talk.
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To me the reaction shots of Riker and O'Brian clearly show they knew he fired. Data communicated the information to them with his equivocal answer and then failing to investigate.
What Data tacitly told Riker and O'Brian: "I've been through something horrific. I had to make a horrific choice, and I don't want to talk about. It's moot anyway now since Fajo is unharmed. Excuse me now."
The truth: "You are correct, Commander. I saw no choice. Fajo had just murdered someone horribly and said he would carry on murdering people to make me comply with his demands. I wish you had come minute earlier before he killed someone in cold blood. Even though no one was hurt, there will be an inquiry into my actions and to whether you could have come a minute earlier. Let's be careful not to do anything that might look like evidence tampering. I've just seen someone murdered and tried to shoot the perp, so I need time to process that before dealing with any possible legal issues."
Data did not say: "Commander, I assure you I would never fire such a horrific weapon. I recommend we perform a level 3 diagnostic on all transporter systems to be sure this is not the sign of a potentially dangerous malfunction. "
The reaction shot said Riker and O'Brian got the tacit message and were speculating in their minds about the whole truth. Maybe they'll ask Data what hell he went through to bring him to the point of trying to burn someone alive. But that moment was not the time to ask. It's best not to ask, too, because they don't want to get in a coverup over something moot.
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I thought the show implied Data was feeling at least a bit of the emotions a human would feel in this situation. I thought that's why he fired when Fajo had his hands up instead of forcing him to call the authorities and it was why he didn't want to get into the details with Riker. You're right, though, that it could have been unemotional behavior. The show leaves that part ambiguous. It's clear he fired, and Roker and O'Brian knew. The show leaves why up to the viewer.
Hey just wondering.
If the ship has the capability to have a persons pattern stored in its data banks, or the transporter buffer itself, if you were say terminally ill couldn't you beam out use the pattern in the buffer and then make a new body free of disease and beam back in?
I mean it's recreating you from your own template isn't it? Beam into the system sick and beam out well.
If the ship has the capability to have a persons pattern stored in its data banks, or the transporter buffer itself, if you were say terminally ill couldn't you beam out use the pattern in the buffer and then make a new body free of disease and beam back in?
I mean it's recreating you from your own template isn't it? Beam into the system sick and beam out well.
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I wonder, what's the difference between "having an emotion" and being programed to respond like you have an emotion? Mr. Data is a very complex mechanism, he could be programed with some if then statements, If Worf says, "You got a dead cat in there or what? then Data can reply "F* U @sshole" It doesn't mean he's "angry" but he's replying like he is.
What's the difference and how could anyone tell?
They did that to fix Dr. Pulaski. They de aged her, a little.
Big "if", since Data is not supposed to have those emotions or express any without having them for real. You mean some hypothetical android?
There would, of course, be a big difference between having emotions and faking them, for the android, but how do you tell? The fakery might not be perfect. Maybe it's stiff or unnatural.
I don't think anyone would have programmed Data to simulate emotion just in a moment like this with Fajo, but not the rest of the time.
What about later on in TNG when we had the introduction of his "emotion chip?"
I'm more amused that emotion could be hard coded into a chip.
So maybe Soong himself couldn't know if the chip simulated emotion or created the real thing?
It made a mockery of Data's supposed quest for humanity. Here you go, quest over. I don't see why it couldn't be in a chip, though.
Because I see no reasonable way to code emotions in something binary like a chip.
We don't know how Soong did any of it. None of us actually knows what emotion IS, so knowing how it would be reproduced electronically is also beyond any of us.
That is true but it's easy enough to imagine what might have happened, and unless there's some kind of huge breakthrough in their future world that we don't have in our world computers use binary code.
Here is an interesting video I found on Transporters
Data clearly DOES have this ability, since he's able to use it to "snap" at the anti-android First Officer in Redemption, Part 2.
Perhaps I misspoke here... He is clearly (to me) faking emotion when snapping at the junior officer, there. Data, of course, can reproduce any behavior exactly, such as very emotional violin playing, simply by making the exact same series of bodily motions. Well, no "simply" about it, but he can do it without feeling.
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Fajo is a different case. He could have faked rage for Fajo's benefit. Why would he have, though? Data wasn't interested in Fajo's perceptions of him. Fake rage wouldn't have served as a motivation to kill. And as a matter of fact, I saw no sign of the emotion of rage on Data's face. We only see the act. We don't need it to show on our faces when we feel an emotion, however.
Pity that Hobson wasn't familiar enough with Data's mannerisms to be able to recognize this.
Hobson was easily cowed by Data's outburst, but still should have been quick enough on the uptake to point it out. I wonder how Data would have reacted if he'd done that.
He'd have got shot then Data would have beamed to another room haha
i teally like that scene i think he chose to ommit the truth or lie because he was worried about his actions and what would people think : i think b spunner u der pkayed it perfectly he is a really u derated actor :
