I do not like MCU films

[Captain of the USS Averof]

"Daredevil" is a great show and I thoroughly enjoy it. But, I won't watch it with my kids.

Thank you! Of course not, I won't either. That's what Disney's Marvel movies are for. For families and kids. But when I say it I get "attacked" for pointing out the obvious!

Because that would be spoonfeeding.

Really? Wanda mentioning her dead brother is spoonfeeding? In a movie that deals with the consequences of superhero's actions? Her dead brother who just died in the previous film saving lots of people? You call that spoonfeeding?

Stretching much?

 

[Anwar]

Really? Wanda mentioning her dead brother is spoonfeeding? In a movie that deals with the consequences of superhero's actions? Her dead brother who just died in the previous film saving lots of people? You call that spoonfeeding?

Yes. Her stricken reaction when Ross brings up Sokovia is enough. Painful subjects like that (especially seeing how Wanda is supposed to be a teenager) usually evoke non-verbal emotional pain, not forced 100% recap explanations.

 

[LJones41]

Why is it so important that we decide whether the Marvel films or the DC Comics films are better? What's the point in arguing our case, when none of us can come to an agreement? Isn't it all subjective in the end?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

"Daredevil"! Now that's a great show! Maybe it's because it was created for/by Netflix and not Disney.

Why didn't Stark recruit Daredevil instead of a "twelve" year old kid is beyond me!

Because Peter isn't twelve and has a-list level superpowers and a genius level intellect. And because as far as anyone not directly involved in the life of Matt Murdock knows, Daredevil has no superpowers and may or may not actually be a criminal.

Also, probably because Tony's been keeping his eye on a Peter for a while because he reminds him of himself.

 

[Trekkin]

Why is it so important that we decide whether the Marvel films or the DC Comics films are better?

People needed a break from 'Star Wars vs Star Trek.'

 

[StarLore]

I am not a huge Marvel fan, but I did enjoy Civil War. I am also excited about the new Spider-Man movies.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Yes. Her stricken reaction when Ross brings up Sokovia is enough. Painful subjects like that (especially seeing how Wanda is supposed to be a teenager) usually evoke non-verbal emotional pain, not forced 100% recap explanations.

Yet when almost the same thing happens in BvS (PTSD) everyone loses their minds.
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Double standards anyone?

…especially seeing how Wanda is supposed to be a teenager…

Where did you get that? Even in her wiki page it clearly states they were adults.
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Scarlet_Witch
Did you confuse "twins" with "teens"?

Because Peter isn't twelve and has a-list level superpowers and a genius level intellect. And because as far as anyone not directly involved in the life of Matt Murdock knows, Daredevil has no superpowers and may or may not actually be a criminal.

No, Peter is a 15 years old high-school student and yet Stark brings him in a battle with superpowered beings. In a movie where Stark stands for superhero responsibility and accountability?!

Also, probably because Tony's been keeping his eye on a Peter for a while because he reminds him of himself.

Oh, we know exactly what Tony has had his eyes on!

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[Hugo Rune]

I've had my eye on her since she helped exonerate Vinnie's cousin back in '92

Hugo - nothing sexier than a good Jersey drawl

 

[LJones41]

People needed a break from 'Star Wars vs Star Trek.'

Another feud that I found redundant.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

No, Peter is a 15 years old high-school student and yet Stark brings him in a battle with superpowered beings. In a movie where Stark stands for superhero responsibility and accountability?[/QUOTE]

Fifteen is a huge difference from twelve. And your shock is kind of ridiculous considering that was the entire point: to show that Tony was taking it all way too far, and betraying the exact principles he was supposed to represent in the name of defending them.

Quote function refuses to work properly and I'm on a phone, so: reply is inside the quote.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Fifteen is a huge difference from twelve.

Twelve was in quotation marks. It was used figuratively. That's your argumentation? Really? And that 15 is old enough and 3 years make a huge difference? That's even thinner an argument.

And your shock is kind of ridiculous considering that was the entire point: to show that Tony was taking it all way too far, and betraying the exact principles he was supposed to represent in the name of defending them.

I thought you said it was because Peter Parker has A-list level superpowers and a genius level intellect. And also probably because Tony's been keeping his eye on a Peter for a while because he reminds him of himself. So which of the three is it?

Again almost the same thing happens with Batman and Superman (going too far fighting for their beliefs) and everyone loses their minds.

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[JD]

I think they are referring to the World Security Council, which I think is something akin to the U.N. in the Marvel universe and exists as a check against Super Hero Antics

Hugo - waits to be corrected

It was possibly connected to the UN, but it wasn't the UN. It was a group of five or six different people from different countries who were in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. They were the silhouetted people we saw Nick Fury talking to in Avengers. Robert Redford's character was the leader of the WSC in The Winter Soldier.

 

[LJones41]

I thought you said it was because Peter Parker has A-list level superpowers and a genius level intellect. And also probably because Tony's been keeping his eye on a Peter for a while because he reminds him of himself. So which of the three is it?

Personality wise, Peter Parker is nothing like Tony Stark. Come to think of it, Tony Stark doesn't even have superpowers. Just an armored suit.

 

[fireproof78]

Thank you! Of course not, I won't either. That's what Disney's Marvel movies are for. For families and kids. But when I say it I get "attacked" for pointing out the obvious!

Well, it can come across as dismissive if the crux of the argument is "light hearted fun" when people derive deeper meaning from the films. So, that argument feels very much like it is talking down about the MCU in a manner not consistent with what the films actually do.

Also, as for Daredevil, he seems more focused on Hell's Kitchen, rather than the larger world. Whenever he gets pushed in to a larger conflict he works to push those forces out of "his city" and keeps his battle local. So, even if Stark attempted to recruit him, I doubt Murdock would be interested. Given the fallout of the Battle of New York, Murdock might seem them as part of the problem.

Twelve was in quotation marks. It was used figuratively. That's your argumentation? Really? And that 15 is old enough and 3 years make a huge difference? That's even thinner an argument.

Having studied human development for a while, 3 years is a bigger gap than contemporary society would have us believe.

I thought you said it was because Peter Parker has A-list level superpowers and a genius level intellect. And also probably because Tony's been keeping his eye on a Peter for a while because he reminds him of himself. So which of the three is it?

Again almost the same thing happens with Batman and Superman (going too far fighting for their beliefs) and everyone loses their minds.

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It might be a matter of set-up and payoff. Some things in BvS feel unnecessarily complicated to get to their main beats of the story. The set-up in the MCU has been slow but it has build it up piece by piece.

This is more an observation that a specific argument for one over the other. BvS has a different feel that doesn't feel as coherent in its payoff to me, but the MCU has taken disparate threads throughout their films to bring us Avengers, Age of Ultron and Civil War. It's a mixed bag.

Personality wise, Peter Parker is nothing like Tony Stark. Come to think of it, Tony Stark doesn't even have superpowers. Just an armored suit.

Also, billionaire, genius, play boy and philanthropist.

 

[Anwar]

Yet when almost the same thing happens in BvS (PTSD) everyone loses their minds.

When did BvS do it?

Where did you get that? Even in her wiki page it clearly states they were adults.

Wikis can be edited, Hawkeye's dialog implies she's a teenager.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Like I said, Hydra cover-up and the fact that if they did reveal everything about the WSC then it would also come out that SHIELD was working on the Phase 2 weaponry and Loki only came to Earth due to SHIELD experimenting on the Tesseract, etc. Too much ammo against everyone.

Poor storytelling. Nothing as significant as the WSC launching a nuclear missle at Manhattan would be overlooked or brushed aside by those in the know--namely the Avengers and Fury. Its absence as a major plot point going forward was omission by convenience. In other words...poor storytelling.

That's the excuse of every lazy writer everywhere. Villains are not the sole reason a hero exists. If Batman was written as less of an archetype then he'd have tons of internal conflict with Alfred, Lucius Fox and Gordon instead of all his stories really being about his villains.

er...what? Batman has no purpose without villains. If his parents were not murdered, Wayne likely grows up a foppish rich boy and not crusading against villains everywhere. Petr Parker would not start his crime fighting career without the actions of a villain killing his uncle. Again, basic storytelling in heroic fiction.

We don't know how Tony feels yet.

He was not ranting or spitting words of hatred after listening to Steve's message. I seriously doubt their conflict's heat will not be a driving force of future MCU films, whether Bucky's involved or not.

There is no pleasing some people. In Iron Man 3, Thor 2 and Winter Soldier people complained the other Avengers should've been involved, now they ARE and the complaint is that they shouldn't have been involved?

In WS, as we see in comics (well, the issues with logical plots), other heroes are not always around / occupied, etc. That's easy to accept. "The Gang's All Here" is not necessary in every film.

Says you. I'll take any of that over pretentious "Crime Drama" stuff or anything else that creatively bankrupt "Grounded" aesthetic gives us.

Nothing is more creatively bankrupt than films (of any genre) bearing no greater intellectual weight than the Power Rangers--like Age of Ultron, The Dark World or other films in the line. Make no mistake, they're not trying to make Power Rangers-level films, but their tendency is to lean toward that kind of empty creation / idea.

 

[fireproof78]

er...what? Batman has no purpose without villains. If his parents were not murdered, Wayne likely grows up a foppish rich boy and not crusading against villains everywhere. Petr Parker would not start his crime fighting career without the actions of a villain killing his uncle. Again, basic storytelling in heroic fiction.

I know you're not addressing me specifically, but it raied a question in my mind as to what about heroes like Daredevil? His origin comes from an accident and a personal frustration with the corruption of the legal system.

I mean, he has villains, but there's a different atmosphere to it.

Nothing is more creatively bankrupt than films (of any genre) bearing no greater intellectual weight than the Power Rangers--like Age of Ultron, The Dark World or other films in the line. Make no mistake, they're not trying to make Power Rangers-level films, but their tendency is to lean toward that kind of empty creation / idea.

I really wish I could follow this argument but I'm left going...what?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Batman has no purpose without villains. If his parents were not murdered, Wayne likely grows up a foppish rich boy and not crusading against villains everywhere

I dunno. The Waynes are usually portrayed as philanthropic and active bettering the community. Thomas is a doctor. I imagine Bruce would be brought to continue those civic minded pursuits. He's also highly intelligent, so i could see him going into science, medicine or law. The foppish rich boy was always a ruse and not what he'd be if his parents has lived

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

What was his mother's profession?

 

[Nerys Myk]

What was his mother's profession?

Wife & Mother. ( It was the 30's)