Alec saying someone else is "not enlightened enough" to understand something is pure comedy.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Alec has been discussing 'hate' and how it's a bad thing and people shouldn't do it.
Alec has been discussing 'hate' and how it's a bad thing and people shouldn't do it.
What is with this persistent delusion that New Voyages/Phase 2 is officially licensed? It's been very clear all along that CBS only entered into an arrangement for tours and maybe special events (like weddings) on the sets, and James Cawley has plainly said that the fan film thing isn't fun for him anymore and he's quitting it. Although I guess it shouldn't shock me that Axanar fans are willfully misconstruing obvious facts.
Alec allows no dissent to his words. That is the purest hate and contempt towards everyone. We are lucky to still have a court system that can't be banned with the click of a switch.
From that Blog Alec Peters posted:
Well now, lets list some of the 'never accomplished haters' that Alec Peters now includes on that list:
Tony Todd - A successful and working actor for many decades now (and that IS a feat in itself in Hollywood today.)
Christian Gosset - Here's a link to the man's IMDB (link) <-- Which shows NUMEROUS professional credits in VARIOUS areas. (He directed 'Prelude to Axanar' even though Alec Peters is now claiming it was RMB who REALLY directed it)
Tommy Kraft - Who did what Alec Peters couldn't; actually FINISH his Star Trek fan film 'Star Trek: Horizon' (link) (Oh, and he also did all the Greenscreen composite work for 'Prelude to Axanar' but was called a 'Hater' by RMB after talking about his experience on the Axanar project); and it really stands out in all areas and was done for one tenth the Pledge money that Alec Peters claims he needs for Axanar.)
And for about 12 years myself, I was involved with Japanese Anime fandom; and was Co-Founder of a group that produced a number of English dubbed anime parodies of various popular anime series. Our heyday was pretty much from 1989- 2001 (We did one final production released in 2009 done completely with digital editing just to see if we still could) .
Yes, it's a completely different fandom, and what we did was more in line with what Vic Mignogna and Todd Haberkorn (of Star Trek Continues) do for a living still these days; but we strived to be as professional as possible too - and had good success in that we were known and asked to show our work at many Anime conventions and viewing clubs during those years; and had a couple of articles about our works published in mainstream Anime fandom related magazines over the years. (We never gave out copies beyond cast/crew because back in the day I was more worried about getting sued by ASCAP for all the popular music we used in our productions than by some of the Anime subbing/dubbing companies of that time like Animego , Streamline Pictures , or A.D.Vision , or the Japanese producers directly.)
Also, kids, at the time we were doing this, it was primarily analog video editing. Digital editing alternatives did exist, yes, but to really be able to edit with that in those days, it would cost the same as a house. Over the years, I probably spent about $15,000 of my own money on equipment that allowed us to do this (because we all enjoyed it, had fun, and had a number of fans that were ALL pissed we didn't give copies - and I had some crazy monetary offers at times for a copy that I refused); and we did have an Amiga 3000 and then a Amiga 4000 (with the Toaster) for our last two productions and were able to make use of a hardware and software suite called 'Studio 16' (this was in 1997). <--- But even then we were often pushing it beyond what it could do in terms of mixing so we sometimes still had to dump to analog tape and go down a generation to avoid sound clipping issues.
If anyone's still reading and interested, here's a link to our site that I keep up for nostalgia. It's pretty much a relic (I made it back in 1996 and kept adding to it while we as a group were active. I have a lot of background on what and how we did stuff and much like the Star Trek fan film community, we weren't the only group doing this type of thing in Anime fandom during those years, but we were the most technically proficient; and compared to professional dubs of the period (which in themselves were not that great - but there were some rivalries between fan dub groups nonetheless.) The pseudonym I used in the group was: Phillip Sral.
(Why? We were being cautious in case anyone did decide to file a lawsuit. This was all for fun.)
Sherbet Productions Homepage (link)
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I realize this is probably a lot of detail in a Fandom unrelated to Star Trek; but again, I'm sick of hearing Mr. Alec Peters claim that anyone who has problems with Axanar is a '...never accomplished hater...' I also fail to understand how anyone with multiple failed businesses and multiple bankruptcies; and is involved in a copyright infringement lawsuit (that he's losing) can consider himself 'accomplished'...but, that's me.
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TL-DR: Do as I say and not as I do.......??
One thing you definitely shouldn't do is DM people on Twitter whenever they mention someone you don't like (Vic Mignogna, to pick a name at random) and launch clumsy ad-hominem personal attacks against that person to avoid talking about a valid point they made.
Only a hater would do something like that.
Definitely. The only actual expensive part would have been flights. Hotels offer all sorts of packages and deals and discounts. There is no way Hollywood is cheaper. It would have saved him monthly rent AND set construction costs. The *only* benefit to building your own is the ability to continue using it later, but along with that comes indefinite rent expense. This was obviously always his plan.... or we would be watching Axanar right now.
x Alec: "Do you notice how haters have never accomplished anything in their lives?"
No, I notice valid criticisms that stand on their intellectual content and are not tied in any way to the person who memorialized the argument.
"Projecting the shadow self" is such a basic part of psychology that most people who are readers by training know about it. The fact that Alec does not even realize his donors are readers is pretty amazing.
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I am from Northeastern New York (Rochester area.... coincidentally, where STC's orchestra is) and the area of NY where the NV sets are is not the "NY" stereotype but rather small town America and I am quite sure the hotels in the area would be more then happy for the business. :P
Actually I'm grateful LFIM posts what he mistakenly believes is rational mature expression for all the world to see. I doubt he realizes how petty and immature he comes across to the public and the public is where the jury pool is coming from. Keep on keeping on Alec, one foot bullet at a time.
Yes, I would rather he post nonsense than be intelligently cagey and not let anything slip. It creates history visible to those wanting to reconsider their support.
But IMO, he is enabling donors who want unlimited fan-driven Trek. And they enable him. Part of all this is their private party.
They want it, he wants it (with major perks for him). They overlook the latter to make common ground on the former.
Fan driven Trek has been capped by the guidelines and the lawsuit so as to shave off studio business concerns of the "Alec wants major perks" agenda (and preempt future Alec emulators on other properties, presumably).
The fans just haven't realized yet that their money is the part of the major perks they have to defend for themselves (give Axanar Productions a startup gift, again, or not).
They have to cap that themselves, or at least realize they are no longer able to buy long form, star studded Trek with their 'donations' (the real pivot point of their support, I think).
They have to come around to realize they just have Alec and his team yet again soliciting gifts (not investments) to continue building a non-Trek studio for their personal profit, offering donors as collateral the track record of managerial competence and honesty and openness and business ethics and financial savvy and intriguing writing and delivered productions and consensus of support from industry professionals and even flattering comparisons to sailing vessels of lore (in the finest Trek tradition of naming the flagship vessel) which the project has so far achieved.
Maybe this will eventually become clear to Axanar donors as the haze of desiring their own unlimited Trek world faces the studio saying no. We will know better when the patient becomes conscious again.
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If it hasn't become clear to them by now, it's not going to become clear. By this point one has chosen to back the wrong side.Yes, I would rather he post nonsense than be intelligently cagey and not let anything slip. It creates history visible to those wanting to reconsider their support.
But IMO, he is enabling donors who want unlimited fan-driven Trek. And they enable him. Part of all this is their private party.
They want it, he wants it (with major perks for him). They overlook the latter to make common ground on the former.
Fan driven Trek has been capped by the guidelines and the lawsuit so as to shave off studio business concerns of the "Alec wants major perks" agenda (and preempt future Alec emulators on other properties, presumably).
The fans just haven't realized yet that their money is the part of the major perks they have to defend for themselves (give Axanar Productions a startup gift, again, or not).
They have to cap that themselves, or at least realize they are no longer able to buy long form, star studded Trek with their 'donations' (the real pivot point of their support, I think).
They have to come around to realize they just have Alec and his team soliciting gifts (not investments) to build a non-Trek studio for their personal profit, offering donors as collateral the track record of managerial competence and honesty and openness and business ethics and financial savvy and intriguing writing and delivered productions and consensus of support from industry professionals and even flattering comparisons to sailing vessels of lore which the project has so far achieved.
Maybe this will eventually become clear to Axanar donors as the haze of desiring their own unlimited Trek world faces the studio saying no. We will know better when the patient becomes conscious again.
I'm very aware that on this board there are a whole bunch of people who have for years created Star Trek content and I'm often taken aback by just how much good stuff there is out there that they're responsible for. As I've said before, a major positive for me in this Axanar saga is that it's led me to all this other stuff that I didn't know about. And whilst 'quality' can be subjective and perhaps what I've enjoyed other people haven't so much and vice versa the over riding passion in all the projects is pretty plain to see.From that Blog Alec Peters posted:
Well now, lets list some of the 'never accomplished haters' that Alec Peters now includes on that list:
Tony Todd - A successful and working actor for many decades now (and that IS a feat in itself in Hollywood today.)
Christian Gosset - Here's a link to the man's IMDB (link) <-- Which shows NUMEROUS professional credits in VARIOUS areas. (He directed 'Prelude to Axanar' even though Alec Peters is now claiming it was RMB who REALLY directed it)
Tommy Kraft - Who did what Alec Peters couldn't; actually FINISH his Star Trek fan film 'Star Trek: Horizon' (link) (Oh, and he also did all the Greenscreen composite work for 'Prelude to Axanar' but was called a 'Hater' by RMB after talking about his experience on the Axanar project); and it really stands out in all areas and was done for one tenth the Pledge money that Alec Peters claims he needs for Axanar.)
And for about 12 years myself, I was involved with Japanese Anime fandom; and was Co-Founder of a group that produced a number of English dubbed anime parodies of various popular anime series. Our heyday was pretty much from 1989- 2001 (We did one final production released in 2009 done completely with digital editing just to see if we still could) .
Yes, it's a completely different fandom, and what we did was more in line with what Vic Mignogna and Todd Haberkorn (of Star Trek Continues) do for a living still these days; but we strived to be as professional as possible too - and had good success in that we were known and asked to show our work at many Anime conventions and viewing clubs during those years; and had a couple of articles about our works published in mainstream Anime fandom related magazines over the years. (We never gave out copies beyond cast/crew because back in the day I was more worried about getting sued by ASCAP for all the popular music we used in our productions than by some of the Anime subbing/dubbing companies of that time like Animego , Streamline Pictures , or A.D.Vision , or the Japanese producers directly.)
Also, kids, at the time we were doing this, it was primarily analog video editing. Digital editing alternatives did exist, yes, but to really be able to edit with that in those days, it would cost the same as a house. Over the years, I probably spent about $15,000 of my own money on equipment that allowed us to do this (because we all enjoyed it, had fun, and had a number of fans that were ALL pissed we didn't give copies - and I had some crazy monetary offers at times for a copy that I refused); and we did have an Amiga 3000 and then a Amiga 4000 (with the Toaster) for our last two productions and were able to make use of a hardware and software suite called 'Studio 16' (this was in 1997). <--- But even then we were often pushing it beyond what it could do in terms of mixing so we sometimes still had to dump to analog tape and go down a generation to avoid sound clipping issues.
If anyone's still reading and interested, here's a link to our site that I keep up for nostalgia. It's pretty much a relic (I made it back in 1996 and kept adding to it while we as a group were active. I have a lot of background on what and how we did stuff and much like the Star Trek fan film community, we weren't the only group doing this type of thing in Anime fandom during those years, but we were the most technically proficient; and compared to professional dubs of the period (which in themselves were not that great - but there were some rivalries between fan dub groups nonetheless.) The pseudonym I used in the group was: Phillip Sral.
(Why? We were being cautious in case anyone did decide to file a lawsuit. This was all for fun.)
Sherbet Productions Homepage (link)
^^^^
I realize this is probably a lot of detail in a Fandom unrelated to Star Trek; but again, I'm sick of hearing Mr. Alec Peters claim that anyone who has problems with Axanar is a '...never accomplished hater...' I also fail to understand how anyone with multiple failed businesses and multiple bankruptcies; and is involved in a copyright infringement lawsuit (that he's losing) can consider himself 'accomplished'...but, that's me.
But speaking for all those folks like me who've never so much as drawn a Star Trek cartoon I really don't feel any need to justify my point of view to Alec bloody Peters of all people.
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I've always thought the CGI scenes were good and bearing in mind it's the work of one guy for a fanfilm I think you'd have to be rather mean spirited to think otherwise. What can I say? Watching spacecraft from the Star Trek universe gently gliding by shooting at each other I found an idle diversion. Of course, these days when I watch those scenes I have a more cynical viewpoint and it's that those scenes were the rosin on the flypaper.
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