Nah. I'm selfish enough to only ask for the people I know. But, I *would* try to give everyone in my group their own choice on whether to go or not, if possible.
Poll Would you trade your real life to live in the ST Universe?
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What's all this talk of taking people? My ass is going it alone. I ain't telling anyone. 
I apologize upfront for being more than a little angry, but this post comes across as very condescending.
Just because my values are different than yours doesn't mean I'm "oppressed," or a "product of a time where I cannot imagine such freedoms." That's bullshit. It's arrogant, and it's lazy thinking simply because you cannot fathom another person's perspective.
I love Star Trek, but it's largely a fantasy pipe-dream. That's why it's so much fun as entertainment. But I have no desire to live in a "utopia." I'm very happy right now, and I love facing the challenges of today and trying to make this world a better one. I have no desire to run from reality or to live in a world where everything is handed to me.
I don't think that particular opinion deserves your pity, nor do I think it is appropriate to label the preference as "laughable."
The post, not the poster.
Precisely. I'm sure the poster is a fine person. The post, as written, is kind of insulting. I doubt it was intentional, but that's how I interpreted it.
But the part that I quoted was getting personal about it.
Sadly enough, they don't seem to have bookstores in the future and you rarely see anyone reading.
As I said earlier no go to stay, but it would be interesting to visit with the assurance that I could one day return. Get to know the society and obtain answers to certain questions that the multiple series never made clear.
How utopian is the supposed utopia.
Money or not.
Is Starfleet big stuff, or are average people barely aware it exists.
What do they really think of our time period.
Stuff like that.
How utopian is the supposed utopia.
Money or not.
Is Starfleet big stuff, or are average people barely aware it exists.
What do they really think of our time period.
Stuff like that.
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Sounds like I could rake in the credits writing holo-fiction.
@Coloratura, you could make millions just writing Borg self help books:
I'm A Drone, You're A Drone
Calm, Cool & Collective
The Seven Habits Of Highly Assimilated People
Chicken Soup For The Vinculum
Do It! Let's Get Off Our Nanoprobes
I'm A Drone, You're A Drone
Calm, Cool & Collective
The Seven Habits Of Highly Assimilated People
Chicken Soup For The Vinculum
Do It! Let's Get Off Our Nanoprobes
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Books seem like an antique media that we actually see quite a bit of in Trek. I'd be surprised if Earth didn't have its share of antique bookshops.
And in general, watching people read isn't very TV-friendly, Trek or otherwise.
And in general, watching people read isn't very TV-friendly, Trek or otherwise.
It's up to you to feel angry or patronised etc. I stand by my opinion on the subject though. Simply because you feel personally insulted doesn't make your claim that it is arrogant or 'lazy thinking' any more true. We are all a product of our time and our views and feelings are molded by that in many cases. To label what I said 'lazy thinking' and then provide no real reason as to why isn't very constructive either.
For example, you label it a 'fantasy pipe-dream' which is your opinion. [Which seems to conflict with you assertion that you wish to make this world a better one: perhaps you should ask yourself "to what end?"] I find it sad that someone can look at Trek's social situation and label it a fantasy. I don't think an existence where freedom, liberty and science are so important should so easily be dismissed as fantasy.
I'm glad you are so happy in todays world. Many, many people are not. Many don't have food, shelter or tolerance for who they are. I will reiterate: stating 'that's bullshit' isn't really an argument I can do much with. I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree on this: you are happy [that's great], I feel many people on Earth right now [even in the lovely West] are far more oppressed [and thus far less free] than they realise.
The really weird thing about watching people read in Trek - we see this a lot on DS9 - is that somebody is given a stack of books to read, but each book is on its own PADD. What, they don't have 24th-century Kindles? Just one of those things should be able to hold every book ever written, with the amount of storage that they have in the future...
But you'd have no need of money. You're forgetting that fact.
I definitely would like to take a trip to the 24th century to check it out, but I couldn't leave my loved ones behind, permanently. But if I could take them with me, I definitely would go to the 24th century.
I would love to see all the technological advancements, and the fact that I could site see all of Earth through the use of transporters, would also be cool. Travel and see Europe, Asia, and Africa, ! all in one day? Hell yeah! The fact that you could visit the Pyramids without worrying about being kidnapped by extremists and having your head cut off? What's not to like? And that is just civilian life.
I used to be in the military, so I think I could easily fit in to a Starfleet lifestyle. The only thing that would concern me is that I would think that 24th century people would be so far and away more educated and more intelligent than I am, so I am not sure I could even qualify to be in Starfleet, really. But assuming I did qualify, I think the chance to explore the universe would be just plain awesome. I think every boy who ever grew up since the space program started, dreamed of being an astronaut at some point. So, it would be a no brainer to me.
I would love to see all the technological advancements, and the fact that I could site see all of Earth through the use of transporters, would also be cool. Travel and see Europe, Asia, and Africa, ! all in one day? Hell yeah! The fact that you could visit the Pyramids without worrying about being kidnapped by extremists and having your head cut off? What's not to like? And that is just civilian life.
I used to be in the military, so I think I could easily fit in to a Starfleet lifestyle. The only thing that would concern me is that I would think that 24th century people would be so far and away more educated and more intelligent than I am, so I am not sure I could even qualify to be in Starfleet, really. But assuming I did qualify, I think the chance to explore the universe would be just plain awesome. I think every boy who ever grew up since the space program started, dreamed of being an astronaut at some point. So, it would be a no brainer to me.
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I'll need latinum for the license from the FCA if I want to operate on Ferengi controlled planets, which I will.
Wrigley's ... where the team hasn't won the pennant in 300 years.
Why would you need a store? Everything is FREEEEE!!!!!!!
We see people reading "tablets". Kirk and Picard have physical books, IIRC. So did Cogley.
I would imagine that if you had access to a replicator, it would be fairly easy to have a book created. Prior to the replicator (or if you couldn't afford the replication) there would be alternate means of acquiring books, even in the future.
I think there would still be bills, while we have heard a small number of people speak of no money, we hear fair more references to there being buying and selling in the Federation and on Earth. Both are canon and therefor both are true in some fashion, you can't discount one in favor of the other. I do think that believing that "most thing are free" doesn't explain what the real situation is in the future, not the whole story.
To be fair, it is obviously a fantasy.
But is the future depicted in Star Trek a "better world?" In terms of the civilian population outside of Starfleet we actually know very little. Sisko refers to Earth (but not the entire Federation) as a "paradise," but what does that mean to someone who isn't Ben Sisko?
There are people today we point at modern day Sweden and call it a paradise, other people view it as constrained and possessing a oppressive controlling society.
I remember a thread from a few years ago where the discussion when to what would happen to those who didn't embrace the pervailing societal normals of Earth, several posters stated that those people could simply go (or be sent) to a colony where their idea would be permitted.
Paradise accomplished via exclusion, conform or be cast out.
The future is depicted as a material comfortable one, but again we know little of the society.
Would you be willing to surrender your freedoms in exchange for a comfortable chair?
And at the same time, "many many" people are, they're fully aware they are living a better life than their ancestors.
More educated perhaps, but unless there been a change in the Human brain is a relatively short period of time, not more intelligent.
There's are reasons they are referred to as "the greatest generation" and we're not. They built the society you live in, and many died to ensure future freedoms.
And you?
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Yeah, but I like my job at the local bookstore.
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