Spoilers ST: Beyond - Surprising fact about Sulu
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I think that's a little dismissive. There are gay and lesbian couples who want something like this to exist. It's important to them, and it's nobody else's business to tell them they're wrong to feel that way. A science fiction story that gives them hope that such an option will be routine in the future can be just as meaningful as earlier SF stories giving people hope that gay marriage or a black or female president or an end to the Cold War could happen in the future.
And I'm sure there's a way to sneak in a casual reference to the mechanics of it without making a big production out of it. "Oh, what a lovely baby, Hikaru! She has your eyes and your husband's chin!" Simple as that.
This has already been covered, hasn't it?Thanks for the spoiler
I'm not trying to imply they feel the wrong way. I'm just speaking from my own experience of knowing gay people (including some in my own family) who already have terrific kids who they love and treasure, regardless of how they were conceived or adopted. And, yes, I'm reacting a bit to a whole day of watching commentators falling over themselves to concoct elaborate sci-fi justifications for something that already exists in real life--and in our own community. As though the very idea of a gay man having a daughter boggles the mind . . ..
Looks like Takei himself isn't too thrilled about the news, though:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-reacts-gay-sulu-909154
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-reacts-gay-sulu-909154
A bisexual character might end up on a straight path in one universe and a gay path in another. Depends on who he falls in love with. A bisexual man in a monogamous relationship with a woman is seen by the world to be on a "straight" path.
Doesn't TOS Sulu set off people's gaydar anyway?
I have changed the title - because regardless of it also being all over the media; if you're trying to stay clear of spoilers for the movie, I think Trek Lit should be regarded as a safe place.
In future, everyone, - please do not put any spoilers in a thread title - even if you don't think it's that important, you can explain what you want to talk about in your first post.
In future, everyone, - please do not put any spoilers in a thread title - even if you don't think it's that important, you can explain what you want to talk about in your first post.
I'm not sure I'd include Mirror, Mirror, given we know from DS9 that not everyone has the same sexual orientation in the Mirror Universe. Or as I suggested in the thread up in the Trek XI+ forum, maybe MU Sulu is gay but tries to hide it. IMO, MU Sulu is consistent with someone who is overcompensating by acting too straight
Also, wasn't Sulu acting awkward around Illia dropped from the Director's Cut of TMP? Granted, that sort of thing muddles the issue of canonical value, but it could give us an out, could it not?
Even with TAS being restored to a canonical status in recent years, or at least making it permissible to be acknowledged in the novels, isn't still SOP to ignore anything established in TAS that the later shows contradict, like the Bonaventure?
So really, that just leaves Mudd's Women, which we can write off as early story development syndrome (like James R Kirk) or suggest that maybe the women were capable of putting gay men under their spell?
Or bisexual people.
Yes, but at the time, the title hadn't been altered.
To be fair, I saw it in the news this morning, so I wouldn't have made it to the film without knowing.
But as said ^ it's annoying finding out from the papers, be the forum should be a 'safe' place to avoid them.
I know I'm unusual in that I like to go into films 'cold' - I don't want to know anything in advance or be anticipating.
Thank you for changing the titleL
My two cents on spoilers are they are a reality of life these days, and very rarely am I surprised by plot twists, even when I do go in cold.
In this case, this is everywhere. Both the spoiler itself and George Takei's reaction to it are making headlines. Honestly, the only people who won't know Sulu is gay going into Beyond are the ones who have already been living in seclusion with no outside contact with the world at all prior to seeing the movie. And even then, someone's probably going to be talking about it in the theatre itself before the movie starts.
In this case, this is everywhere. Both the spoiler itself and George Takei's reaction to it are making headlines. Honestly, the only people who won't know Sulu is gay going into Beyond are the ones who have already been living in seclusion with no outside contact with the world at all prior to seeing the movie. And even then, someone's probably going to be talking about it in the theatre itself before the movie starts.
Actually, this is the only place I've read/heard/seen it - I don't live in seclusion, I just don't follow entertainment media.
And my decision in changing the title is that I would consider this forum to be a safe place to avoid movie news, so we need to go the extra mile here.
And my decision in changing the title is that I would consider this forum to be a safe place to avoid movie news, so we need to go the extra mile here.
Not to mention, but considering Trek's Eugenics Wars take place before the movie, and even the events of Star Trek Into Darkness, Sulu and his husband could be involved in a conversation regarding genetic manipulation and just mention what it did to create their daughter.
But I've heard about this possibility of gay/lesbian people having kids with genetic material from both partners as far back as the 1990' s when I was listening to a program on the radio about how they were trying to make "gene order catalogues", where heterosexual couples could go in, have their genes scanned, and then could pick what gender, eye color, eliminate a genetic problem (i.e. Down Syndrome).
On the subject of "The Captain's Daughter," Peter David wrote a short piece about the news in his blog.
It's everywhere I go, non-Trek sites and even general news sites. Even my local newspaper.
Does Peter David actually get these movies are in an alternate timeline? He mentions Vulcan's destruction effectively disregards all Trek novels ever written and that Sulu being gay has as much canonical precedent from TOS as Spock and Uhura's relationship.
Well hes thrilled that Beyond has a Gay character, but he isn't happy it is Sulu, because Gene intended Sulu to be straight, and Takei thinks they shouldn't mess with that.
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