Even if this was a scene from BEY, why would it be terrible? You have an instructor lecturing to a class while on a field trip.
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I've been thinking about this a lot today... what if nothing we've seen in the trailers is even real?
What I'm getting at, is what if it's all a simulation, or mind control? Kind of like "Future Imperfect", "Ship in a Bottle", or even the SG-1 episode "Gatekeeper".
Anyone else getting that kind of vibe? Maybe it's just me.
-Ricky
I had similar thoughts, due to the 50th anniversary.
...My thoughts were perhaps a nod to the 1st pilot, ie,Talosian...
Well, I guess this picture is in topic.. lol
New interview by Zachary Quinto and Zoe Saldana
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/07/star-trek-beyond-zoe-saldana-zachary-quinto-starfleet-tested
Seems like they indeed kinda pretend stid didn't happen. Spock existential crisis was sorta resolved at the end of the first movie when Prime Spock told him he could stay in Starfleet.
Who wants to bet they did the lame of the lamest thing and wrote Nimoy's death in the story? (thus killing Spock Prime too)
New interview by Zachary Quinto and Zoe Saldana
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/07/star-trek-beyond-zoe-saldana-zachary-quinto-starfleet-tested
Saldana says Uhura and the crew are worn out, but there’s no time for a break. “We’re tired, we need time off, we’ve been working non-stop, and it’s become like a machine where you kind of forget about yourself, but you need to go back home and nurture yourself and rest,” she explains. “Life has a different journey for us, and instead of us having to go out and aid another population, another planet that has been the target of violence, we are the target, so this is very different. We are tested at the craziest level and not just our lives are tested, but our characters and our relationships are tested.”
Quinto, meanwhile, got to the specific challenges facing Spock, who he says “is in this existential moment in his life and at a crossroads between his obligation to his Starfleet and his Vulcan roots. His planet was destroyed and they’re rebuilding, and he’s trying to figure out where his energy is best directed to help other people. He comes into a new awareness of his own mortality for a number of reasons, and there’s a lot of stuff that he’s trying to figure out in this film. By the end, I think he realizes the best path for himself moving forward.”
Another thing to figure out is his relationship with Uhura. “Part of Spock’s existential crisis is, does he need to be with a Vulcan? Uhura recognizes this, so they’re not necessarily at the height of relationship bliss in this film, but they love each other deeply and they want each other to be happy, to be fulfilled, to serve their purpose, and to realize their potential. It’s an ongoing relationship; I don’t think that it’s resolved necessarily in Star Trek Beyond. They’re learning about each other as well and figuring out the best way for each of them to move forward.”
So does that mean they are together, but sorting things out? Quinto says, “You’ll have to see where it goes.”
Quinto, meanwhile, got to the specific challenges facing Spock, who he says “is in this existential moment in his life and at a crossroads between his obligation to his Starfleet and his Vulcan roots. His planet was destroyed and they’re rebuilding, and he’s trying to figure out where his energy is best directed to help other people. He comes into a new awareness of his own mortality for a number of reasons, and there’s a lot of stuff that he’s trying to figure out in this film. By the end, I think he realizes the best path for himself moving forward.”
Another thing to figure out is his relationship with Uhura. “Part of Spock’s existential crisis is, does he need to be with a Vulcan? Uhura recognizes this, so they’re not necessarily at the height of relationship bliss in this film, but they love each other deeply and they want each other to be happy, to be fulfilled, to serve their purpose, and to realize their potential. It’s an ongoing relationship; I don’t think that it’s resolved necessarily in Star Trek Beyond. They’re learning about each other as well and figuring out the best way for each of them to move forward.”
So does that mean they are together, but sorting things out? Quinto says, “You’ll have to see where it goes.”
Seems like they indeed kinda pretend stid didn't happen. Spock existential crisis was sorta resolved at the end of the first movie when Prime Spock told him he could stay in Starfleet.
Who wants to bet they did the lame of the lamest thing and wrote Nimoy's death in the story? (thus killing Spock Prime too)
You don't really get over the "existential crisis" of barely surviving the genocide of your people like that, especially when there's a colony of the relative few survivors still out there struggling to rebuild the barest minimum of a viable society again. I'm really baffled that there continues to be a recurring complaint about Spock not fully recovering from this, as if we don't have plenty of living survivors and descendents of the Holocaust, and the Armenian, Cambodian, Rwandan and other genocides to compare it to. It's not ancient history, it's in living memory. Some days they can carry on with work and their normal routine without a care in the world, and then some days the grief and the weight of the loss they and their people suffered can hit them like a ton of bricks. There are ups and downs, and it's not something that goes away or you fully adapt to in the span of a couple of years, which is all Spock has had to process it, on his own on a ship full of non-Vulcans.
So, no, I don't see anything there indicating that they're pretending STiD's (or ST09's) character development didn't happen.
So, no, I don't see anything there indicating that they're pretending STiD's (or ST09's) character development didn't happen.
Kind of looks like a really top-heavy Oberth Class.
I agree with you here. I too get a bit annoyed when people make it seems that Spock should simply get over it. There are definitely some fans who thought that in stid his actions in the volcano (and consequently the source of Uhura's worry about him and frustration) was just him being himself and a logical vulcan and Uhura was the one with 'issues' who didn't get her man, never mind the fact that 1) he could actually have a death wish due to PTSD after what happened to him in the other movie and he was on denial about that 2) there is nothing 'logical' in his actions there and possibly having a death wish, nor it is healthy or 'logical' for him to avoid the problem, especially when him possibly being emotionally compromised might put conflict for his role as an officer too. In fact, if anything, I think Uhura considered his behavior unconventional EVEN for his rational logical vulcan self. Some don't seem to get this point (even though I well remember JJ himself sorta making it when he, for example, explained that Spock's contradiction about the prime directive - in that he complains Kirk doesn't follow it in the same breath HE is doing something that goes against it - lies in the fact that he's still struggling with survivor guilt and wants to desperately save that planet the way he couldn't save HIS)
my flippant comment about ignoring stid is more about me commenting the possibility they are, in fact, rehashing, kinda, a subplot (him needing to help the vulcans) that is two movies 'old' and that was ignored in stid in light of him following Spock Prime advice. It's like we're getting the sequel that stid should have been, if only they didn't 'gloss over' the vulcan diaspora the way they did there (beyond the hints of ptsd on spock's part)
You don't really get over the "existential crisis" of barely surviving the genocide of your people like that, especially when there's a colony of the relative few survivors still out there struggling to rebuild the barest minimum of a viable society again. I'm really baffled that there continues to be a recurring complaint about Spock not fully recovering from this, as if we don't have plenty of living survivors and descendents of the Holocaust, and the Armenian, Cambodian, Rwandan and other genocides to compare it to. It's not ancient history, it's in living memory. Some days they can carry on with work and their normal routine without a care in the world, and then some days the grief and the weight of the loss they and their people suffered can hit them like a ton of bricks. There are ups and downs, and it's not something that goes away or you fully adapt to in the span of a couple of years, which is all Spock has had to process it, on his own on a ship full of non-Vulcans.
So, no, I don't see anything there indicating that they're pretending STiD's (or ST09's) character development didn't happen.
Kind of looks like a really top-heavy Oberth Class.
Does this mean we could see T-Pring. It would be interesting to see Quinto's Spock handle T-Pring because she was a proper Queen B in TOS. I do see your point about human genocide but the vulcans are not facing a holocaust, it was a lot worse.
Millions of Jews are still alive but only 10000 Vulcans are still alive, I understand to an extent why Spock can't just easily let go of such tragedy and feels very obliged to help his people.
Yes, but we don't really have an equivalent situation to the planet imploding for me to make a real life comparison to, so...
Actually that looks like the Enterprise D and J. They're making a new CGI model of the J for the Eaglemoss magazines, could that be an early pass of it, just listing off other Enterprises?
Interesting thought..the movie is a Kobayashi Maru or similar test by somebody to determine the resolve and ethics of deep space explorers dealing with the prime directive and initiating new members into the UFP.
Probably not, but either way it looks like the UFP is at the heart of the matter.
I don't think the CGI from the HP commercial is all that significant however, it's just designed to be a series of random images.
Probably not, but either way it looks like the UFP is at the heart of the matter.
I don't think the CGI from the HP commercial is all that significant however, it's just designed to be a series of random images.
If they pull the "It was all a dream" gag, I'm done.
Forever.
Forever.
Yeah. You can get away with stuff like that on a TV series. But a feature film that people have been waiting three-plus years for? I imagine people would be displeased.
I love the idea. Not all alien races explore space like Star Fleet does. It would be a wonderful nod to Talos IV and their kind of Menagerie, mindbender of exploring extraterrestrials; an appropriate story for the 50th anniversary.
Agree - would have to be done so incredibly well to pull off.
C'mon! Bobby Ewing in the sonic shower? How cool would that be?
Didn't DS9 consider turning the entire franchise into Benny Russel's fantasy in the finale?
WTF is that doing there? Easter egg or something?
And of all ships the D?? Was kind of a butt ugly ship from angles photographed too the ugly 1990s carpet color schemes lol.
Probably just a "nu" ship that looks like the E-D, but maybe an easter egg. I didn't see one other thing in that clip that wasn't from one of the three newer movies.
I made a quarter speed version of the clip. Easier to pause when you spot something.
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