STC Ep. 6: "Come Not Between The Dragons" grading and discussion....(possible spoilers)

[YJAGG]

I haven't posted here in years, but reading the post in this thread, I felt compelled to.
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As for something taking me out of Star Trek, it's not the little nitpicks that someone like Warped9 complains of that does it, it's the sheer mass of moobs, goatees, and pot bellies on the other fan films that do.

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When did man boobs become moobs?, I had to looked that one up, I understand nothing shatters the fourth wall like a miscast actor, white guy playing Othello, leading man type trying to be funny, Keanu Reeves being series and overweight actors playing Star Fleet's finest can detract. But it's their bus and they are driving, and having fun and frankly putting themselves on display exposing their (pot) bellies to the teeth of all who watch, and I give them extra points for taking that risk, do you have an average 1969 height and weight? I know I don't.

I tend to look past everything but the story, sure here I will make a I know what a set can cost, I know the price of fabric and trying to match that green or blue OK teal in the right fabric type is bear and a half. (I did find something kind of close to the teal in Poly and JoAnn's has the right color but in cotton Moss Green)

I understand that you might feel that this is the easiest thing to preempt, cast thin folks at the get go, and I have yet to make a fan film, but I have cast and costumed plays in my life, and when you are not paying; finding bodies is not as easy as you think. And if a guy that should of been cast as an Orion slaver is the skipper and wearing a Rubbies 49.99 special, all I can say is hey I don't get the third act, or it could been tighter.

But hey if that is your hang up that is what makes horse races.

 

[YJAGG]

Funny, people complain when the supporting cast doesn't get enough to do, now they're complaining because they have too much to do. In a hypothetical 4th season, I could see them thinking it's time for an episode to showcase the supporting cast. I don't know if they'd have to tranquilize Shatner, but I could see it happening.

I was happy to see the supporting cast get more time, but for me Smith and McKenna are not the supporting cast, I could see Nichols, Takei, Doohan, Barret and Koenig getting mad as hell that after three years of taking a back seat to Kirk Spock and sometimes Bones, now riding on the bumper for two new characters. I could Decker and Ilea as a shark jumping event, that unless the aforementioned crew got a few moments in the sun on their own might cause some stress on the bridge.

I could see the actors sucking it up for a guest star, if Dawn Wells, or Barbara Bain, Donna Douglass etc. was cast as Hedly's caracter.

Given the time period I doubt any of the men would want their character to have been "damaged" by abuse ( unless Kirk's commitment issues with women were because his uncles' hot wife [not minimizing the young boys with older women] took advantage of him.) or a father that never made captain pushing is boy to be a better man than him...
You could say that Spock had an abusive father, setting standards so high that even a full vulcan could not attain , hell even Sybok rebelled against Sarek (and yes I count STV)

 

[Maurice]

I think some people here zero in on any less-than-glowing critiques and somehow miss any positives being discussed. If some people not liking what they like "ruins it" for them, then perhaps they need stay away from frank discussions. I love 2001: A Space Odyssey and all the people who think it's dull and boring don't affect my experience or love of it one bit.

 

[Warped9]

I think some people here zero in on any less-than-glowing critiques and somehow miss any positives being discussed. If some people not liking what you like "ruins it" for then, then perhaps they need stay away from frank discussions. I love 2001: A Space Odyssey and all the people who think it's dull and boring don't affect my experience or love of it one bit.

There are a lot of things I like about 2001, but there is (intentionally) zero personality to the characters and it can be slow. 2001 (and Blade Runner) make TMP feel almost like an action romp.

One thing that cannot be denied is that 2001 gives away nothing to today's cgi laden features. It is still visually stunning by contemporary standards.

 

[Richard Baker]

There are a lot of things I like about 2001, but there is (intentionally) zero personality to the characters and it can be slow. 2001 (and Blade Runner) make TMP feel almost like an action romp.

One thing that cannot be denied is that 2001 gives away nothing to today's cgi laden features. It is still visually stunning by contemporary standards.

Kubrick deliberately kept the acting very low key and the astronauts generic- the biggest difference between Bowman and Poole was one liked beige pastes for dinner and the other preferred different colors. He wanted the people to appear calm and professional, the ideal astronaut in the 60's.
It is still one of my favorite movies- the centrifuge scenes as remarkable to this day.
I tried to show it to my 12 year old son and he was going nuts trying to figure out who the bad guys were. When he found out there weren't any he wandered off. Today's movies have a completely different mindset.

 

[Warped9]

In all fairness when 2001 came out I was nine years old. I saw it in reruns on television in the '70s. To my younger self 2001 was boring as hell. I grew to appreciate it as I got older and developed a different perspective.

 

[Noname Given]

When it is honest yes. But there are some Vic haters on this board and sometimes it shows up in the discussion (not talking about you) ruining it for a lot of us.

But that's true of ANYTHING - this is a Star Trek discussion board - they put their work out for public consumption. Like Rick Berman, Brannon Braga (two Trek producers/writers I was NEVER fond of with regard to their work), JJ Abrams, etc; there will ALWAYS be people who let their feelings about the person color their view of their work.

If you feel something in a review isn't valid (but it's a review and not just an outright "I hate so and so..." post) - respond to it. If it's an outright Trolling piece, ignore it. You're not going to change a person's mind if they really dislike the guy doing the work (whether the reason is valid or not); and some people who Troll just do it to see what kind of response they can get; so the best way to shut them up or get them to move on is ignore them.

 

[Warped9]

Two other things regarding "Come Not Between The Dragons."

Did anyone notice the restyled phasers pistols they were using instead of the original design? You mign't notice the difference unless you look closely.

And for a creature that inhabits the vacuum of space why is Udsi bipedal? Could he be the descendant of a species that was once planet bound and eventually adapted to existing in open space?

How the hell can a creature propel itself to significant percentages of light speed without a spacecraft? (mind you the gaseous creature from "Obsession" and the beings from "The Loghts Of Zetar" could propel themselves at FTL speeds without a spacecraft) And being able to do that also withstand any impacts at relativisric velocities?

Did I hear that right--sonic shock waves? How can a sonic shockwave travel in the vacuum of space where there is no medium (such as atmosphere)? And, yes, we have seen two instances if that before in TOS ("A Taste Of Armageddon" and "Obsession")

 

[Treadwell]

The restyled phasers have been in use since the first episode...or, actually, the vignette "Happy Birthday Scotty".

(Except "Fairest of Them All", of course.)

 

[YJAGG]

Kubrick deliberately kept the acting very low key and the astronauts generic- the biggest difference between Bowman and Poole was one liked beige pastes for dinner and the other preferred different colors. He wanted the people to appear calm and professional, the ideal astronaut in the 60's.
It is still one of my favorite movies- the centrifuge scenes as remarkable to this day.
I tried to show it to my 12 year old son and he was going nuts trying to figure out who the bad guys were. When he found out there weren't any he wandered off. Today's movies have a completely different mindset.

Show him Metropolis, as he rolls his eyes at every cliche let him know THIS is why it became a cliche

Two other things regarding "Come Not Between The Dragons."

Did anyone notice the restyled phasers pistols they were using instead of the original design? You mign't notice the difference unless you look closely.

And for a creature that inhabits the vacuum of space why is Udsi bipedal? Could he be the descendant of a species that was once planet bound and eventually adapted to existing in open space?

How the hell can a creature propel itself to significant percentages of light speed without a spacecraft? (mind you the gaseous creature from "Obsession" and the beings from "The Loghts Of Zetar" could propel themselves at FTL speeds without a spacecraft) And being able to do that also withstand any impacts at relativisric velocities?

Did I hear that right--sonic shock waves? How can a sonic shockwave travel in the vacuum of space where there is no medium (such as atmosphere)? And, yes, we have seen two instances if that before in TOS ("A Taste Of Armageddon" and "Obsession")

Because it was in the script

 

[Admiral2]

I think some people here zero in on any less-than-glowing critiques and somehow miss any positives being discussed. If some people not liking what you like "ruins it" for then, then perhaps they need stay away from frank discussions.

People not liking what I like is one thing. I can live with that. But if the reason the person doesn't like it consists mainly of "The port nacelle strut is an inch too far to the left and it took me right out of the story," then somebody has to step up and say "Seriously?"

 

[Warped9]

If you don't nitpick then you're not really a fan.

After all "fan" is an abbreviation of "fanatic."

 

[Admiral2]

If you don't nitpick then you're not really a fan.

After all "fan" is an abbreviation of "fanatic."

Granted, but there's a limit to nitpicking being tolerable.

If you're counting the number of blinking lights in the Bussard collector to make sure it's being accurately displayed, it's time to start examining your life and goals...

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Kubrick deliberately kept the acting very low key and the astronauts generic- the biggest difference between Bowman and Poole was one liked beige pastes for dinner and the other preferred different colors. He wanted the people to appear calm and professional, the ideal astronaut in the 60's.
It is still one of my favorite movies- the centrifuge scenes as remarkable to this day.
I tried to show it to my 12 year old son and he was going nuts trying to figure out who the bad guys were. When he found out there weren't any he wandered off. Today's movies have a completely different mindset.

Arguably HAL is the bad guy...

 

[Warped9]

Granted, but there's a limit to nitpicking being tolerable.

If you're counting the number of blinking lights in the Bussard collector to make sure it's being accurately displayed, it's time to start examining your life and goals...

I wasn't aware of anyone around here counting blinking lights.

That said back some time ago after STC had released its first couple of episodes someone was commenting on the Captain's chair as well as the shape of some of the overhead bridge monitors. I can't recall who it was.

 

[feek61]

. . . some time ago someone was commenting on the Captain's chair as well as the shape of some of the overhead bridge monitors. I can't recall who it was.

Both have been fixed!!

 

[Astra]

That said back some time ago after STC had released its first couple of episodes someone was commenting on the Captain's chair as well as the shape of some of the overhead bridge monitors. I can't recall who it was.

And ever since reading that comment I see the crinkles in the Captain's chair - and also notice their absence in later episodes.

Just like I hadn't seen the phaser rifle lying on the floor instead of sliding until it was pointed out in here.

 

[Michael]

Just watched the episode and bravo, another wonderful outing by the Continues team! This might just supersede “Lolani” as my favorite episode thus far. The story felt genuinely TOS-y, but I also just noticed how the show really seems to have found its own voice and style. The cast was superb in this, Mignogna is easily the best Kirk since Shatner for me. But the female guest star was wonderful as well. My favorite moment was when Usdi confronted his father. What beautiful music in the background!

More, please!

 

[Phoenix219]

Two other things regarding "Come Not Between The Dragons."

Did anyone notice the restyled phasers pistols they were using instead of the original design? You mign't notice the difference unless you look closely.

And for a creature that inhabits the vacuum of space why is Udsi bipedal? Could he be the descendant of a species that was once planet bound and eventually adapted to existing in open space?

How the hell can a creature propel itself to significant percentages of light speed without a spacecraft? (mind you the gaseous creature from "Obsession" and the beings from "The Loghts Of Zetar" could propel themselves at FTL speeds without a spacecraft) And being able to do that also withstand any impacts at relativisric velocities?

Did I hear that right--sonic shock waves? How can a sonic shockwave travel in the vacuum of space where there is no medium (such as atmosphere)? And, yes, we have seen two instances if that before in TOS ("A Taste Of Armageddon" and "Obsession")

Is space truly a vacuum, or does both light and sound travel through a plasma medium, since the universe is mainly composed of plasma? nevermind, i don't need to open this discussion.

 

[Zaminhon]

My question - when Usdi left the Enterprise was he transported out or did he crash through the hull again? "Gee thanks, Usdi!" Taylor should have at least escorted him to the shuttlebay.