Star Trek Series - After Spock Creates Blackhole

[JWPlatt]

Just pretending for the moment, as a thought experiment, that the new series will be a continuation of canon where we left off from something else, it doesn't seem so interesting. We've been there; done that. They've said it will be "different," so I think it will not be a continuation of something. I know Nicholas Meyer said Bryan Fuller is fond of The Undiscovered Country, and that it would be a touchstone for the direction the new series will take, and all the rumors derived from that, but I doubt it will be so literal.

Again, could be wrong but surely CBS realizes they're not going to entice a a general audience to pay money to watch a show they casually know or have never cared about. Heck, there are people on this website who have said they won't pay for it.

Me included. They're going to have to depend upon DVD sales to get me. I'm not paying to watch commercials. And I'm not paying extra to NOT watch commercials. If they have a single subscription rate for everyone and that includes no commercials, maybe. That would really mean an All Access service for free with commercials - just like broadcast TV. I'd certainly watch it that way. But it doesn't sound like CBS will do it.

 

[MichaelDornFan]

Who cares if people remember the 2009 movie?

An aggressive empire that suffered a crippling setback by losing its home world(s) is a fascinating concept. That it fits into the existing continuity is simply an added bonus.

Star Trek excels when it draws parallels to modern human events that we can relate to. A Romulan Empire seeking to re-assert itself on the galactic stage would, in this case, act as Putin's Russia. They could invade systems that gained independence following the disaster (Ukraine), interfere in foreign conflicts (Syria), explore sectarian strife on non-Romulan worlds that have large Romulan settler populations, and so on.

Again, that it can build off a relatively minor event from a previous installment in the franchise is just a nice bonus. The idea shouldn't be considered because of continuity. It should be considered because it has a lot of potentially great stories.

 

[cultcross]

There is mileage in a modern Russian counterpart. The intergalactic neighbour who acts like a douche but there's a limit on what the Federation can do about it because war is off the table (consequences worse than what they're trying to prevent) and they won't respond to other methods. They did go there already, however, with the Cardassian border issues that generated the Marquis storyline. Chain of Command is basically that kind of story.

 

[Rahul]

And I think Chain of Command is to this day one of the best Star Trek episode ever made. And it's commentary to the war on terror and the (non-) effectiveness of torture to obtain information is just eerie... especially if you consider it was made before 2001!

Continuing themes and storylines from such a great episode seems no bad idea to me. The only downside to this whole issue would be dealing with the scientific innaccuracies from Star Trek09 (the faster-than-light consequences of the destruction of the Hobus supernova, the misconception how black holes work, and the general concept of "red matter").

They would need to slightly ret-con the events of said movie (make it the neighbouring star of the Romulan Star system. Have the radiation of said supernova destroy Romulus, and not the shokwave itself. Hell, maybe even introduce a "Battlestar Galactica"-scenario, where large portion of Romulans left their homeworld on starships and now are invading/searching for a new home. And make the sudden destruction of an entire star an ongoing mystery of the new series). But I could see it work.

 

[Longinus]

And I think Chain of Command is to this day one of the best Star Trek episode ever made. And it's commentary to the war on terror and the (non-) effectiveness of torture to obtain information is just eerie... especially if you consider it was made before 2001!

Yes, it is a bloody brilliant episode! One of my all time favourites.

Continuing themes and storylines from such a great episode seems no bad idea to me. The only downside to this whole issue would be dealing with the scientific innaccuracies from Star Trek09 (the faster-than-light consequences of the destruction of the Hobus supernova, the misconception how black holes work, and the general concept of "red matter").

They would need to slightly ret-con the events of said movie (make it the neighbouring star of the Romulan Star system. Have the radiation of said supernova destroy Romulus, and not the shokwave itself. Hell, maybe even introduce a "Battlestar Galactica"-scenario, where large portion of Romulans left their homeworld on starships and now are invading/searching for a new home. And make the sudden destruction of an entire star an ongoing mystery of the new series). But I could see it work.

What was actually said on ST:09 about the supernova? I think most of the info is from the comic, and that can be easily ignored. Would making the nova be the star of the Romulan system contradict anything from the film?

 

[Rahul]

Ah, yes! I think it was just "a supernova threatening to destroy the galaxy" or something like that... I don't really remember anymore, it was left pretty vague

 

[Longinus]

"a supernova threatening to destroy the galaxy"

destroy the galaxy

galaxy

Um, what?

...

Ok, apparently that was actually said in the film, my brain must have blocked the memory, being unable to handle the amount of stupidity.

 

[Into Darkness]

The Hobus Star was a long distance binary star to the Romulan Star but close enough to cause destruction from a nova due to it's size.

 

[Rahul]

The Hobus Star was a long distance binary star to the Romulan Star but close enough to cause destruction from a nova due to it's size.

That would actually be scientifically plausible. And the "destroying the galaxy"-quote would simply be hyperbole for the chaos, war and apocalyptic events that would follow such a scenario.

It still wouldn't explain how Spock was allowed to fly with a shitload of WMDs into the Romulan core star system. Or what a black hole would to to stop a supernova (big supernovas often already have black holes in their center). Or how Spock could fly beyond the shockwave to deliver the red matter. Or how red matter would create enough gravity form a black hole. Or how it was equally possible to turn that into a wormhole. Or how something like a supernova could "suddenly" happen. Or how a scientifically advanced civilisation could somehow have missed that.

But I'm generally not a fan of using the destruction of entire planets, the death of billions(!) of people, entire species of plants and animals, cultures and histories, only as a small plot point for somebody to want revenge. I wasn't a fan of JJ Abrams destroying all the planets of the new Republic in Force Awakens either. But the guy seems to have the hots for planets blowing up...

So personally, I would prefer it if the events of Trek09 would just flat-out be ignored in a potential post-Nemesis series. But if it were to happen, and one would serioulsy want to examine the consequences of what was arguibly just a minor plot point from a movie eight years ago, this would probably be the way to do it.

 

[STEPhon IT]

But lackluster sales of TOS, TNG and ENT blurays have already shown CBS that they can't rely solely on fan support to make their new show successful.

And still so many think CBS will make a new Trek series in the prime universe??? JJTrek is Star Trek now, millennials know it to be Star Trek, it would seem a better option to branch a series from what we're interested in than something which had lackluster sales.

 

[Rahul]

And still so many think CBS will make a new Trek series in the prime universe??? JJTrek is Star Trek now, millennials know it to be Star Trek, it would seem a better option to branch a series from what we're interested in than something which had lackluster sales.

"Star Trek now" is not what was last produced. "Star Trek now" is what is the freshest memory for the audience. And apparently prime Trek streams quite dope on Netflix and co.

Hell, if you've seen JJTrek and decided you like Star Trek, chances are pretty great you have checked out prime Trek after that. If you have not, you're not exactly the target audience for a new Star Trek show anyway...

I would say fandom is pretty much split right now. In a year, "Star Trek now" will be whatever the showmakers decide Trek2017 to be set in.

 

[JWPlatt]

And still so many think CBS will make a new Trek series in the prime universe??? JJTrek is Star Trek now, millennials know it to be Star Trek, it would seem a better option to branch a series from what we're interested in than something which had lackluster sales.

Which do you think matters most: The universe or the story?

 

[cultcross]

Even if the new series isn't technically set in the JJverse, I'd be very surprised if we don't get something similar in look and style. Not many casual viewers will give a toss if the show is set in one continuity or another, but they will definitely care about whether it is written and looks like it was made in the 90s.

 

[Tosk]

The "JJ style" and "looking like it was filmed in the '90s" aren't the only two options though. I certainly hope it's a third option they go for.

 

[Longinus]

The "JJ style" and "looking like it was filmed in the '90s" aren't the only two options though. I certainly hope it's a third option they go for.

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of the JJ style ship interiors...

 

[Into Darkness]

Say hello to the new bad guys of my new series. The Klendaki. The Klendaki are located beyond Romulan space and after the fall of Romulus they begin to take control of Romulan territories.

The forward module holds the shuttlebay, the deflector and primary weapon array and the bridge.
The next module is for Science and Exploration.
The Central module is crew quarters and recreation.
The last module is engineering, ships systems, resource storage and impulse/transwarp engines.
The ship uses rail gun turrets to rapidly fire micro-torpedoes at exceptional speed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Who?

 

[BillJ]

But lackluster sales of TOS, TNG and ENT blurays have already shown CBS that they can't rely solely on fan support to make their new show successful.

I'm fairly certain TOS did pretty well on Blu-ray.

 

[Dukhat]

Say hello to the new bad guys of my new series...

So can I take it from this that your other one-post idea about a series with the Pralor and Cravic is history?

Also, this should really be posted in the fanfic section.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

The only downside to this whole issue would be dealing with the scientific innaccuracies from Star Trek09 (the faster-than-light consequences of the destruction of the Hobus supernova, the misconception how black holes work, and the general concept of "red matter").

All they need is about 15 seconds for Lt. KoolGuy to explain to Ensign Green about how a rare subspace inversion in the Hobus supernova destroyed the Romulus system. Then, to make all the "callback" people happy, Ensign Green can go, "Oh of course. The mission where Ambassador Spock was killed." Then I can roll my eyes. LOL.