I wouldn't mind if the showrunners try it. There might be an angle where a crew can deal with a civilization from a planet or a system for 1 season, and move on to another crew with their issues. It could be different and something new.
Rumor: the show takes place between TOS movies and TNG
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There are advantages to the anthology format in the American Horror Story model, such as getting high profile actors who wouldn't commit to multiple seasons. That format should also largely be self contained stories every season so no risk of a cliffhanger series ending. The possibilities of what they can do with that are really appealing.
I still remember attending a college showing of the original Hitchcock movie back in the eighties and realizing, to my surprise, that a good percentage of the audience was caught off-guard by the twist ending.
I would've thought that everybody knew by then that (SPOILER ALERT!) Norman was his own mother, but apparently not . . . ..
Somehow my small town high school (or possibly jr high) showed Psycho as a special treat. I was just talking about that earlier today funny enough, how I am still shocked that they showed a movie with so much violence and sexuality (including Janet Leigh in her underwear having just slept with her boyfriend) to teens in a small town school in the 80s. Possibly there were permission slips, but still.
It does amuse me that my nephew who watches the show religiously has no idea what's coming.
I agree that Bates Motel is very successful at keeping the tension so tight even though we know how things have to end up for Norma and Norman.
It does amuse me that my nephew who watches the show religiously has no idea what's coming.
I agree that Bates Motel is very successful at keeping the tension so tight even though we know how things have to end up for Norma and Norman.
What the hell are you talking about?Yeah, and if M*A*S*H was as good as everyone says it is, how come it's not still on the air? Why aren't Friends, Seinfeld, or the Sopranos still on the air if they were so good?
Forget about judging a show's quality based on ratings --- you're judging a show's quality based on whether it is presently airing. That attribute is completely meaningless to judge quality as fans of the Cosby Show and Cheers would attest.
In case you never heard of any of these shows above, they're all not on the air anymore and pretty much everyone loves them (that's obviously a generalization, yes, but we're all adults here).
Shalashaska claimed Hannibal was a massive critical success. I was wondering by whom??? Since for the life of me never knew the show existed and the massive critical success must've been microscopic. The word success is attainment of popularity, and profitable. Strange thing to write especially for a show, when it aired, no one watched. I guess massive critical success means anything to Shalashaska's preference other than what the word is appropriate for. To each their own.
I can go with what you're saying Jerrika Dawn; at least I knew those shows you mentioned and actually were massive critical successes.
Based on your post, I'm not sure you know what irony is. Greg's point was that you can't judge a show by its ratings.Seriously?To be fair, HANNIBAL ran for three, low-rated seasons on NBC--just like a certain cult science fiction show back in the 1960s.
You know, the one with the guy with the pointed ears.
On a Star Trek forum of all places, you go judging a show on its quality by looking at the ratings?
The irony
But in the Best of Both Worlds it was never a possibility (at least to me) that the Federation or the Enterprise would be destroyed, it was how are they going to get out of it this time. The biggest thing for me was whether Picard was going to survive and continue on the show.
Same thing with the Dominion War (unless they had let Ron Moore write the ending).
The Federation can't be (constantly) credible threatened with destruction, but it's worlds can. Planet Tellar drops off the radar after TOS, is it still around, or was it destroyed at some point?
Characters can face death and the possibility of being written off the show (like Patrick Stewart in TBOBW).
The impression I got from TOS was that the Federation was huge, but in FC we find out that it "only" has 150 + members, did something happen to 90% of the Federation subsequent to TOS?
A war, alien plague, mass departure of members?
The show set during a middle period doesn't have to be constrained.
I think it is 150 member governments, many of which control several worlds.
Anyway, I really don't think there needs to be constant existential threat to Federation for the show to be interesting. Most of the good Trek plots don't require such.
I was just watching Yesterday's Enterprise. In the episode, Enterprise-C helmsman said "We were negotiating a peace treaty with the Klingons when we left". This puts the Enterprise-C somewhere around the time of the Khitomer Accords?
Oh I am not saying it needs those threats, nor that the traditional 'heroes always win' should be abandoned...though it often is these days. It is however just one more constraint that wouldn't otherwise be there.
It was a shock moment for the characters when the breen attacked earth, if not for us then the characters.
TMP and TVH depend on a credible threat to earth itself.
There is a difference between knowing the heroes will save the day 'because that what always happens' and knowing the heroes save the day because we have already seen the same place a hundred years later.
Some will see this as the kind of constraint Reboots exist to avoid. I prefer not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
The episode predates TUC, so there were no Khitomer Accords
Wasn't it already stated that Worf was from khitomer?
I can't remember when that was first stated, but even so, Khitomer colony isn't the same thing as the Accords. That the peace conference was taking place on Khitomer was, as far as I'm aware, first established in TUC a year after Yesterday's Enterprise. It wasn't until later (such as the Klingon war arc on ds9) that Khitomer became synonymous with the Klingon Federation Alliance in the 24th century.
As someone else stated, "Yesterday's Enterprise" was filmed before TUC, so at the time of YE in 2344, the Federation still hadn't negotiated peace with the Klingons. But in TUC, it was retconned that there was a peace treaty way back in the 2290's, but that it took fifty years to ratify, or it broke down later and another treaty had to be made, etc.
Exactly. Only a handful of TOS episodes have Kirk and crew saving the entire Federation and even that's a stretch in some cases. ("Balance of Terror?" "Operation--Annihiliate"? "City on the Edge of Forever"?) Heck, the one episode in which they save the entire universe, "The Alternative Factor," is possibly the worst TOS episode ever. Most of the time, the best episodes focus on Kirk and his crew and the individuals they encounter on the final frontier, not matters of galactic scope.
It's "Wagon Train to the Stars," remember? And nobody ever refused to watch Westerns because they already knew how America's westward expansion turned out . . ..
And just to venture beyond TOS for once: Look at "Measure of a Man," "Duet," "The Visitor," "The Inner Light," etc. Not one of those stories involves galactic wars or politics, but they're among the most powerful, memorable,and dramatic episodes of the various latter-day series.
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I sure do, and that was also my point.
You either purposefully messed with my post to make it show up like that or quoted it wrong, because I didn't quote that post, I was quoting @STEPhon IT. Check it again, we were replying to the same person.
Exactly. Only a handful of TOS episodes have Kirk and crew saving the entire Federation and even that's a stretch in some cases. ("Balance of Terror?" "Operation--Annihiliate"? "City on the Edge of Forever"?) Heck, the one episode in which they save the entire universe, "The Alternative Factor," is possibly the worst TOS episode ever. Most of the time, the best episodes focus on Kirk and his crew and the individuals they encounter on the final frontier, not matters of galactic scope.
It's "Wagon Train to the Stars," remember? And nobody ever refused to watch Westerns because they already knew how America's westward expansion turned out . . ..
And just to venture beyond TOS for once: Look at "Measure of a Man," "Duet," "The Visitor," "The Inner Light," etc. Not one of those stories involves galactic wars or politics, but they're among the most powerful, memorable,and dramatic episodes of the various latter-day series.
I totally agree. I am just saying it's nice to have the options, especially if you need a ratings boosting episode.
So most of the critics loved the show? Hmm. Okay, I can accept that.
