Does Simon Pegg do an accurate Scottish accent?

[Paradise City]

In dramatic terms, Doohan's accent is persuasive and Pegg's is underwhelming.

Of course, if you take their accents and test them for authenticity you'd probably find the reverse is true. But noone cares enough really.

 

[Iamnotspock]

It all depends where those Scots-people are from. Slangs and tones differ from certain sections of Scotland.

That's true. Which one was James Doohan doing?

 

[hux]

Wit wae Doohan Doohan?

 

[daedalus5]

Its not very good IMO (I come from south of Glasgow). Doohan's is better. I know fellow Scots will disagree completely!

However, far better than the Scotty character as portrayed in the fan films "New Voyages" and "Continues."

 

[STEPhon IT]

That's true. Which one was James Doohan doing?

Dude, you're trying waaay too hard not to understand.

 

[M'Sharak]

It all depends where those Scots-people are from. Slangs and tones differ from certain sections of Scotland.

That's true. Which one was James Doohan doing?

That's true. Which one was James Doohan doing?

Dude, you're trying waaay too hard not to understand.

Rather than evading the question by making insinuations that another poster is being purposely obtuse (also a tactic here considered poor form, btw) why not simply answer it directly: for which "certain section of Scotland" would you say that Doohan was doing the accurate dialect?

Think of this as an opportunity to show off your linguistic knowledge.

 

[hux]

This is what Scottish people actually sound like. As you can see, it's not really applicable.

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[Iamnotspock]

Yes, STEPhon IT, I assure you I'm not being deliberately obtuse. Respectfully, I'm really not sure how I can put it more plainly; there are many different dialects throughout Scotland, and James Doohan's Scotty accent - love him as we all do - was not accurate to a single one of them. It's really not hard to understand what you're saying; I'm saying you're objectively wrong.

This tidbit from Chris Doohan at 3:41 really sums it up;

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We love him, the Scots took him to heart, but no one who knows what they're talking about would say that accent was good.

 

[Disco]

Doohan's accent was good. I've heard similar accents around Scotland a lot.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Doohan did another great job playing a Scotsman named Damon Warwick on CBS' The Bold and the Beautiful.

 

[Griffeytrek]

All this talk of the bad Scottish accents, and no one mentions Anton Yeltsin's horrific fake Chekov Russian accent... All the more terrifying because Yeltsin is a native Russian speaker with a real Russian accent who deliberately corrupted it to match Walter Koenigs "Moose and Squirrel" approach.

 

[Kor]

Here's an interesting BBC article called "Film Crimes Against the Scottish Accent" that briefly discusses Doohan's Scotty accent:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-25413482

All this talk of the bad Scottish accents, and no one mentions Anton Yeltsin's horrific fake Chekov Russian accent... All the more terrifying because Yeltsin is a native Russian speaker with a real Russian accent who deliberately corrupted it to match Walter Koenigs "Moose and Squirrel" approach.

See M'Sharak's earlier post about Koenig's personal background and his Chekov accent.

Kor

 

[STEPhon IT]

All this talk of the bad Scottish accents, and no one mentions Anton Yeltsin's horrific fake Chekov Russian accent... All the more terrifying because Yeltsin is a native Russian speaker with a real Russian accent who deliberately corrupted it to match Walter Koenigs "Moose and Squirrel" approach.

It's just a nod to Koenig's crappy Russian accent but I thought it was a bad idea for Yeltsin to go the route he went, but it could've been JJ Abrams who convinced him to do it in that fashion. That accent doesn't resemble Russian at all.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's just a nod to Koenig's crappy Russian accent but I thought it was a bad idea for Yeltsin to go the route he went, but it could've been JJ Abrams who convinced him to do it in that fashion. That accent doesn't resemble Russian at all.

Here's what Yelchin had to say:

“The thing is about Walter Koenig was his accent was interesting,” said Yelchin. “I think I’m just going to leave it at interesting. All of us had to make the choice of what we wanted to take from the original and what we wanted to bring to it. There are certain things that I took, from the fact that he replaced every V with a W which is weird. I don’t really know where that decision came from but regardless that’s the decision that he made and I thought it was important to bring that to the character.”

 

[Haggis and tatties]

All this talk of the bad Scottish accents, and no one mentions Anton Yeltsin's horrific fake Chekov Russian accent... All the more terrifying because Yeltsin is a native Russian speaker with a real Russian accent who deliberately corrupted it to match Walter Koenigs "Moose and Squirrel" approach.

I have alway thought the Russian and Scottish accent were quite similar, especially the rolling of the R's.

 

[Kirby]

Of course we're talking about accents based on 20th/21st century standards. Deviate 200+ years in any direction and they're bound to sound different than the modern era. It would be cliché to mention Picard's French accent as an example, but for example, Picard's French accent...

That said, I still think the guy that played Dr. Beckett in Stargate Atlantis had a better Scottish accent than either Doohan or Pegg.

 

[Tim Walker]

I was wondering if (accurately/convincingly) portraying a character of a different nationality is complex. Are there subtleties that are easy to overlook?

For example, Picard seemed only nominally French. Not just due to the lack of a French accent. Somehow, Picard came across as British.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was wondering if (accurately/convincingly) portraying a character of a different nationality is complex. Are there subtleties that are easy to overlook?

For example, Picard seemed only nominally French. Not just due to the lack of a French accent. Somehow, Picard came across as British.

Stewart made very little effort to be French.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Did he really have to? It all depends if Picard moved on from having a french accent. He probably had one when he started the academy.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ IIRC, we do hear young Picard speak (the bar fight in "Tapestry") and he didn't have a French accent then.