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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Kind of off topic, but I just looked at Amazon and there actually is no Garth of Izar action figure. I kind of assumed with so many figures having come out over the decades that there would have been at least one Garth figure somewhere along the line.
 
Agreed. It's entirely possible to have objections to the way Alec Peters and Axanar have conducted themselves and their business (and make no mistake - this has absolutely been a business for them) while the lawsuit is in progress. Likewise, it's easy to forget how, over the past four years (prior to the lawsuit) Axanar had some of the most vocal, stubborn, and vicious of defenders constantly on patrol and policing any discussion about Axanar anytime someone would criticize the production or Peters, or have anything less than absolute praise to say. Not all Axanar defenders behaved this way, but a whole lot of them did.

The majority of the "Star Trek: Axanar" thread here on this very board carried out that same pattern. Really, it just speaks to the epic insecurity and inferiority complex of Peters and his acolytes to see how so few voices (prior to the lawsuit) could have such a dramatic impact with their thoughts as to inspire such vitriolic and purposeful retaliation.

Also ironic: most of those same people have stayed out of this thread, barely making an appearance because lo and behold those of us who raised these issues all along or who had concerns or who dared to offer critical thoughts have now been proven right. And the small-mindedness of most Axanerds simply can't allow that Alec Peters has actually FUBAR'd the whole operation thanks to his shameless greed, inept leadership, brazen inexperience and echo chamber circle jerk philosophy on discussion.

Finally, Alec Peters, on top of everything, has been a raging asshole to just about everyone. He's burned bridges to save himself, he's demeaned others, attacked, insulted and tried to control the narrative of what has been happening and why the lawsuit was filed, willfully ignoring the truth and what the law means. It's that old chestnut of "Rules are not meant to be broken by anyone ... but its ok if I do it." He has been disrespectful to everyone -- from Tony Todd, all the way to his own fans, denigrating those who ask questions by citing how "cheap" they were by only donating small amounts of money to Axanar. He's demonstrably revealed his two faced nature by constantly shitting on the Abrams films but turning that right around to suck up to Justin Lin when Lin made a single tweet supporting fan films last week. Peters is an asshole, a hypocrite, and man-child with no concept of personal or professional consideration, boundaries or respect and we have multiple, multiple sources of evidence of proof to show for this.

So yes, there's a touch of schadenfreude at play here because, frankly, Alec Peters has all but insisted on it being a part of these proceedings with his shitty behavior, but it's also very much about people -- whether new to Axanar, or recently burned by Peters and Axanar for asking questions, or the group of us who have followed and been constantly osctracized for our hesitation to drink Alec's Axanar Kool-Aid -- watching as this trainwreck hurtles in slow-motion toward it's inevitable plunge into its own destruction.

If anyone should be worried about how they conduct themselves during these proceedings, it's Alec Goddamn Peters, who has doxxed, threatened, and mischaracterized the truth to any number of us and his loyal followers all so he can make a quick buck. Likewise those raging fanatics on the Axanar Fan Group could stand a dowsing of the cold water of reality too. It's going to be a hell of a hangover for them when they wake up from this Axanar bender, they just don't see it yet.

"I have built 5 companies, the last of which sold for $ 16M. So forgive me if I find the the nonsense here laughable." :devil:
 
Kind of off topic, but I just looked at Amazon and there actually is no Garth of Izar action figure. I kind of assumed with so many figures having come out over the decades that there would have been at least one Garth figure somewhere along the line.

Maybe somebody has done a custom figure.
Unfortunately, it looks like the only hope we might have now is that awful "ReAction Figures" line of hipster toys.

Kor
 
"First of all, if you actually bothered to read the second Axanar Kickstarter, you would see that they SPECIFICALLY outlined what they would spend their money on."

And this in my opinion is where they really went off the tracks with donors. They made no effort to call out the unique nature of their choice to spend money on permanent material assets and salaries, or of CBS objections to same, over the entire course of that Kickstarter. From campaign start, to the contents of the 'campaign' page even today, the "Risks" section said the same thing:

"There are always risks and challenges when making a film - actors dropping out, locations and/or sets not available, unforeseen costs, equipment trouble, etc. In addition, "Star Trek" is a licensed property of CBS and so they have the final say in any Star Trek venture. However, the Axanar team has dealt with CBS and knows the landscape that must be navigated. Every member of the Axanar team is a professional who has proven their skills on other projects and films."

Certainly Axanar staff knew CBS was objecting to the project because of public statements of CBS while the "studio" Kickstarter was going on. Certainly Axanar staff knew that paying salaries and buying permanent for-profit assets was different from other fan films, and that Axanar's spin on "make no money" to mean "have no cash left" would present some additional risk with CBS over and above that faced by other fan films. But there is not a peep about this unusual exposure presented to the donors on Kickstarter, ever.
 
"And as has been clearly said many times, Axanar actualy PAYS people, because it is a professional production, and doesn't use volunteers for the daily labor (sure volunteers help out, but full tiem employees, are paid."
 
Maybe somebody has done a custom figure.
Unfortunately, it looks like the only hope we might have now is that awful "ReAction Figures" line of hipster toys.

Kor
The new 1:12 Mezco line with real clothes is awesome, but quite expensive.
 
Wasn't there meant to be a book/anthology giving the backstory to Axanar War and other details about it? Whatever happened to it?

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Funny you should ask. We cover that on AxaMonitor, too.
 
And this in my opinion is where they really went off the tracks with donors. They made no effort to call out the unique nature of their choice to spend money on permanent material assets and salaries, or of CBS objections to same, over the entire course of that Kickstarter. From campaign start, to the contents of the 'campaign' page even today, the "Risks" section said the same thing:

"There are always risks and challenges when making a film - actors dropping out, locations and/or sets not available, unforeseen costs, equipment trouble, etc. In addition, "Star Trek" is a licensed property of CBS and so they have the final say in any Star Trek venture. However, the Axanar team has dealt with CBS and knows the landscape that must be navigated. Every member of the Axanar team is a professional who has proven their skills on other projects and films."

Certainly Axanar staff knew CBS was objecting to the project because of public statements of CBS while the "studio" Kickstarter was going on. Certainly Axanar staff knew that paying salaries and buying permanent for-profit assets was different from other fan films, and that Axanar's spin on "make no money" to mean "have no cash left" would present some additional risk with CBS over and above that faced by other fan films. But there is not a peep about this unusual exposure presented to the donors on Kickstarter, ever.
I know the famous "we object to commercial ventures trading off our property" line from CBS came during the Indiegogo campaign, but did they make a similar statement during the Kickstarter? Can you point me to it? Thanks!
 
Doing some research regarding Axanar's proclaimed intention to become a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, I realized that the IRS scrutiny they would fall under becomes significantly smaller if they are able to pass themselves off as a very small nonprofit organization.

As far as I know, the IRS does not conduct an audit of the books of applicants for tax-exempt non-profit status. They review the materials submitted in the application then issue a temporary decision, often retroactive, pending filing of a Form 990, an informational tax form most tax-exempt organizations must file each year giving the IRS an overview of the organization's activities, governance and detailed financial information.

Form 990 also includes a section for the organization to outline its accomplishments in the previous year to justify maintaining its tax-exempt status. In collecting this information, the IRS wants to ensure that organizations continue to qualify for tax exemption after the status is granted. If the 990 raises any red flags, then the IRS may do a full audit.

But note: Tax-exempt organizations with gross receipts less than $200,000 or assets worth less than $500,000 don't have to file Form 990. Instead, they would file the the Form 990-EZ — the "short form" of the 990 — or even the Form 990-N, filed by organizations with gross receipts of $50,000 or less. These forms require far less stringent reporting. The 990-N is so short it is done online and nicknamed the "e-postcard."

Once Axanar Productions divests itself of Ares Studios, the value of its assets go down considerably, meaning that it may qualify for the relatively low level of scrutiny from the less detailed reports required by the IRS.
 
Is a space you rent considered an asset?
Improvements performed on a leased property, such as additions, alterations, remodeling, or renovations.
For accounting purposes, all leasehold improvements are capitalized (recorded as an asset with a corresponding liability) and amortized over the remaining life of the lease term or the life of the improvement (whichever is shorter). Upon termination of the lease, such improvements normally become the property of the owner (lessor) without any cost or obligation.
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Doing some research regarding Axanar's proclaimed intention to become a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, I realized that the IRS scrutiny they would fall under becomes significantly smaller if they are able to pass themselves off as a very small nonprofit organization.

As far as I know, the IRS does not conduct an audit of the books of applicants for tax-exempt non-profit status. They review the materials submitted in the application then issue a temporary decision, often retroactive, pending filing of a Form 990, an informational tax form most tax-exempt organizations must file each year giving the IRS an overview of the organization's activities, governance and detailed financial information.

Form 990 also includes a section for the organization to outline its accomplishments in the previous year to justify maintaining its tax-exempt status. In collecting this information, the IRS wants to ensure that organizations continue to qualify for tax exemption after the status is granted. If the 990 raises any red flags, then the IRS may do a full audit.

But note: Tax-exempt organizations with gross receipts less than $200,000 or assets worth less than $500,000 don't have to file Form 990. Instead, they would file the the Form 990-EZ — the "short form" of the 990 — or even the Form 990-N, filed by organizations with gross receipts of $50,000 or less. These forms require far less stringent reporting. The 990-N is so short it is done online and nicknamed the "e-postcard."

Once Axanar Productions divests itself of Ares Studios, the value of its assets go down considerably, meaning that it may qualify for the relatively low level of scrutiny from the less detailed reports required by the IRS.


The Best person to talk to or people are the Continues lot theyll be able to tell you exactly what Axa will ave to do like they did.
 
The Best person to talk to or people are the Continues lot theyll be able to tell you exactly what Axa will ave to do like they did.
It's really a pretty straightforward process. I'll probably do a flow chart and checklist of it for Axanar.
 
Except this isn't really about fraud, is it? Isn't more about whether they should qualify for the tax exemption?
 
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