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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Another issue with Alec claiming waiver. Alec, by his own admission, and everything he has pitched about Axanar as a truly professional production, puts Axanar in a higher class than the other fan films. Then, claims he is the same as other productions, and is being singled out. So how can you say your film is more professional then any other fan film, yet cry about being singled out? You can't have it both ways!!! This will be easy for the CBS lawyers to point out in court.
 
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Do I understand correctly that CBS and Paramount would likely have turned a blind eye to Peters, all other things being equal, had it been for him paying himself and his domestic partner a salary? Could all this really have been avoided, save for that?
 
Thing is also every thinks that Preleude and the Vulcan scene are the best thing since sliced bread. People need to realize that 90% of that is because of Tobias's outstanding VFX work! With out that where would they be? I sincerely hope that Tobais is left out of this lawsuit, no mater what happens i support him.
 
"The donors get it, except for all the donors who have turned on us and are criticizing us. But they're not real donors. I mean, they donated money but most of them didn't donate enough for me to give a fuck. Well, except for the ones who did, but we're gonna stay positive and focus on making the very best fan film that's not at all a fan film but professional in every way out of our boundless love for Star Trek (we're not calling it Star Trek because, you know, our respect for IP) and because I'm drawing close to $40,000 bucks a year salary from this which I'm sure is a lot less than any of our donors get paid to do whatever honest and useful work most of them probably do."
 
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Do I understand correctly that CBS and Paramount would likely have turned a blind eye to Peters, all other things being equal, had it been for him paying himself and his domestic partner a salary? Could all this really have been avoided, save for that?
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It's pretty simple. Axanar was getting to big for it's britches and was saying they can do just as good if not better than CBS. You don't bite the hand that feeds you! And he wonders why he is getting sued and not the other fan films.
 
Hmmm...thanks! To beat a totally obvious observation into the Dilithium Mines, this shit is Complicated!
 
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I'm kinda hoping this does go to court just for the spectacle of AP having to testify, but I have a feeling he'll weasel out of it at the last second, pay some damages to CBS and he'll likely try to pocket the money he's been getting as side donations from "true believers" for "defense of real star trek".
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I tend to think if there is some kind of settlement, CBS will want a professional accounting firm to go in and verify all the expenditures. I'm not sure Peters will be able to hide any cash, as anything that he's spent that doesn't have a receipt will be flagged and he'll be made to pay it out, either to donors or to CBS.
 
It was coffee killed the fan film, er independent production.

Nope. Fan film. Fan film. Definitely fan film.

Independently produced fan film with salaries. Yup. That's the one.
 
Alec is the gift that keeps on giving.

There are some other things he wants to have both ways:

1. To be a for profit California corporation, in the event the production makes gobs of money he can keep the profits.

2. Throw around talk of "not making a profit" and "non profit" to confuse unwitting "donors".

3. Use the "non profit" facade to convince people to volunteer their time at Axanar Productions, Inc in violation of California labor laws.

"We're a professional production, we pay everybody!"
"We're a nonprofit, come volunteer!"

Sheesh
 
I love how Peters tossed everyone under the bus. When there's a mass shooting, he's probably the one who grabs a baby and uses it as a shield. What an asshole.
 
Crowdfunding any project could lead to fraudulent behavior, but the more money that comes in the more likely the fraudulent behavior will occur. In all reality you are exchanging money for goods based on the Internet equivalent of a handshake.
 
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There are folks who are still donating, despite the fact that this is happening. No matter how anyone feels about anything, you have got to look at this production and have some doubts. Even the most fervent true believers have got to, if they have any sense at all, be seeing there are going to be delays. There already are, and there already had been even before the suit was filed. Delays should = red flags.

I don't know what the current donors think they're funding. It's likely to be travel and copying and whatnot fees for Winston & Strawn at this point. Those are legitimate lawsuit expenses of course. But they are not filmmaking. I really hope the current donors know this.
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Man, oh, man, I'm so with you on this. Your points are sound. Clear. Makes total sense.

And yet, 'they' are still going there. As I said I know one in real life (#6099). Intelligent person. Not a fool. Good friend for many many years. Know him really really well. Not an idiot in any interpretation of the word.
I interact with another one. Not a fool. Intelligent person. Not an idiot in any interpretation of the word.
Both of them appear to be willing to go to lengths incomprehensible to me in continued support of this issue.

And I see this same thing going on with the current political choices--- people seeing the exact same data--having completely different interpretations.
Theistic issues--exact same data--completely different interpretations.
The newest movies--same data----Exact Same Data----exact opposite interpretations.

It's like actual wars--- both sides Totally Believing God is on their side.

I think what I'm seeing is the innate natural brain function of interpretation of the exact same data that is not driven by intelligence or lack there-of.

Both sides on this issue are calling the other side fools, idiots, blind, all sorts of pejorative wording...
Anyone who is still donating in light of all that has happened recently is a fucking idiot in my book
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Those folks are idiotic and deserve to loose their money.
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But I can not go there. It is not logical to me. I will think my interpretation of the data to be correct but I will not dismiss the other interpretation as being idiotic. They are definitely wrong in my books, but they, these intelligent people *I* know continuing to support this... are not fools, not idiots.

But they puzzle me. The same way it puzzles me that the Exact Same Data will find intelligent people I know, and me, extolling a movie, the acting, the story, the writer, the producers, the production.... and other intelligent people I know will totally, and without hesitation, condemn it and the horse that brought it in to eternal hell.
 
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