Heroes Reborn - Season 1 Discussion Thread (with Spoilers)
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Peter Petrelli? 
Heroes Reborn coming to dvd and blu-ray April 12 - http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Heroes-Reborn-DVDs-BDs-Announced/21917
Cool. That will make a nice companion to my Heroes season one set. It's a two-season wonder for me. 
I'm confused by part of that coda...didn't Angela from a year ago go back 15 years in the past to raise Malina, and grew older doing so? Why is there a present Angela who isn't as aged?
Obviously it was a set up for the next chapter, but I'd say taht Nathan changed time somehow.
I'm aware of that, which I inferred in my original post in that particular conversation.
That confused me too. It doesn't make sense.
But then, nothing about this did, unsurprisingly. So these solar flares are bigger than the whole Earth, and yet 1 to 3 people in Texas are able to direct some nebulous, unexplained application of their powers at them and thereby dissipate them? That's completely dumb. It was particularly dumb in Luke's case. His power was to generate fire. When did he ever demonstrate an ability to snuff out or disperse fire? Not to mention that a solar flare is, of course, not fire at all, because there's no oxygen in space. It's hydrogen plasma. There's no reason a Human Torch-like ability would have any effect on it at all. I dunno, maybe the idea is that he could absorb solar energy and he sucked all the energy out of the flare or something, but again -- bigger than the whole Earth. We're talking about trying to pour the Pacific into a water balloon.
The way Tommy and Malina did something to save the day wasn't much better, especially with the cheat of suddenly revealing that there had to be a third person involved. It was a pretty contrived and emotionally unsatisfying way to end Noah's journey.
The bit with Quentin and Phoebe and Malina before that was really lame. First off, since when did Phoebe's shadow tendrils have the ability to pick people up and carry them? Second, with Phoebe's tendrils holding Malina in midair over a very long drop, why did Quentin think that shooting Phoebe would possibly be a good idea?
I'm not sure what to make of the temporal logic of the premise that you can kill people by stranding them in a future that you then erase from ever happening. I guess if they travel there from before the time when the future was prevented, that might sort of make sense. And it does belatedly answer the lingering question of what happened to that woman Peter left behind in an alternate timeline in season 2 and then forgot about because of the writers' strike and stuff. Presumably she ceased to exist when that timeline was prevented.
And the ending was weird. So the Evos saved the whole world... and for some reason, the feds see that as reason to be suspicious of them and interrogate Quentin about them? We couldn't have seen a more optimistic ending that recaptured the sense of acceptance and inclusion that we saw in the summit at the beginning? Well, clearly they're hoping for another season, with that tarot-card cliffhanger thing, and I guess they're too attached to the whole X-Men "world that hates and fears them" approach. But it's pretty clear we won't be getting any more, and it's probably just as well. I just don't find Tommy and Malina interesting enough to follow up on. Although I wouldn't mind seeing more of Ren, Miko, and Otomo.
I had forgotten that the series funeral was tonight, so I ended up watching Legends of Tomorrow instead. Will check out the episode On Demand, though I've pretty much read EW's summary and analysis.
I just forgot yesterday was Thursday. The holiday threw me off, and plus I've been working almost every waking moment. I'll have to catch it over the weekend.
I really enjoyed the finale and liked the miniseries as a whole. I never thought we would get a continuation of Heroes and honestly I liked it better than most of season 4. I hoped for a more direct continuation than we ultimately got but I appreciate the lengths they went to including just about as many of the old characters as they could in some fashion.
The only new character I really warmed up to was Nathan. It was nice finally seeing him with his memories back at the end. He was totally believable as someone raised by Hiro with the benefit of a lifetime of training.
I agree the circumstances that led to Noah's death were very contrived. I rewatched Heroes over the Christmas hiatus for the first time since it ended and he became my favorite character so that's disappointing. Also, I wasn't happy with his character being "dumbed down" this season for lack of a better term. I doubt we will ever see another continuation of Heroes though so at least he got some kind of ending?
I just wish they hadn't gambled on getting renewed and ending with a cliffhanger. For a second I almost forgot it was canceled and had hopes season two would be better. They really made sure to leave every returning characters fate except for Noah (and most likely Claire) ambiguous enough they could return. Even Noah or Claire might not really be dead if they didn't want it to stick. I think I'm going to imagine that Sylar was the father as improbable as that is.
The only new character I really warmed up to was Nathan. It was nice finally seeing him with his memories back at the end. He was totally believable as someone raised by Hiro with the benefit of a lifetime of training.
I agree the circumstances that led to Noah's death were very contrived. I rewatched Heroes over the Christmas hiatus for the first time since it ended and he became my favorite character so that's disappointing. Also, I wasn't happy with his character being "dumbed down" this season for lack of a better term. I doubt we will ever see another continuation of Heroes though so at least he got some kind of ending?
I just wish they hadn't gambled on getting renewed and ending with a cliffhanger. For a second I almost forgot it was canceled and had hopes season two would be better. They really made sure to leave every returning characters fate except for Noah (and most likely Claire) ambiguous enough they could return. Even Noah or Claire might not really be dead if they didn't want it to stick. I think I'm going to imagine that Sylar was the father as improbable as that is.
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The tarot cards make me think of the "circus of crime" from Season 4...was there anybody there who used them?
I wrapped up the finale online just a little while ago and I'm still processing it. Overall the best thing I can say about it is that it closes out HRG's story and he goes out like a hero (pun intended). It was good seeing him back. It took too long getting to him. I could've done without the scenes of Tommy/Nathan trapped in the game or Ren and Emily attempting to save him. I thought it was odd that the finale spent as much time on Ren and Emily lurking around Kravid's fortress (for lack of a better word).
I also thought Tommy seeing the other Tommy in the game was weird. I mean why did the other Tommy, the one who retained his memories, just do what needed to be done, instead of wasting time trying to get (our?) Tommy to remember? That didn't make sense to me. In general I wasn't impressed with the Evernow segments throughout the series.
For Luke's sacrifice I thought it odd that his clothes didn't burn off or it took a bit too long for them to be eventually consumed as he turned into pure fire I guess. Overall I think the show missed out on a chance to have all the new heroes work together Avengers style, or Fantastic Four style, pairing their powers together. Instead Luke sacrificed himself early and they basically sidelined El Vengador, Micah, Farah (admittedly she was recovering), and Carlos's brother. Perhaps that was done to clear the way for Noah's big sacrifice.
As others have pointed out, Quentin shooting Phoebe while she was holding Malina over a stairwell didn't make sense. Nor did Phoebe attempting to kill Malina even after I think she believed Quentin that Erica had abandoned them. Seems like a good time for a redemptive change of heart.
When Kravid leads her chosen few outside into the future Gateway it made me wonder, well who built that city up for them? Was she sending people along the time stream to build the new or restored Gateway? And did Tommy trap her in a future without the new Gateway? I mean she's still out there right, just in the future? I also thought the name "Project: Reborn" sounded odd and was done perhaps because of the show's name. Project Rebirth sounds better. Though the show title Heroes Reborn sounds better than Heroes Rebirth.
Anyway, I thought it was odd for a smug Tommy to explain himself to Kravid before splitting in two and jumping back in time. It seemed like a waste of time to me and why give someone as smart and ruthless as Kravid any inkling of your plan? I would be afraid she might somehow find a way to counter it. Perhaps he did it because he knew she couldn't but that just makes him look like a gloating asshole.
I do wish the ending had not been a cliffhanger. I got the impression that this was supposed to be a closed series, though I'm sure they were planning for additional segments-as the ending supports. That being said, I am curious about the father. Sylar came immediately to mind, but I can't see it being him. But like others I don't really find Tommy or Malina all that interesting that I am bummed that I can't see someone hunting for them.
How I rank the saga:
1. Season 3
2. Season 1
3. Season 2
4. Reborn
5. Season 4
I also thought Tommy seeing the other Tommy in the game was weird. I mean why did the other Tommy, the one who retained his memories, just do what needed to be done, instead of wasting time trying to get (our?) Tommy to remember? That didn't make sense to me. In general I wasn't impressed with the Evernow segments throughout the series.
For Luke's sacrifice I thought it odd that his clothes didn't burn off or it took a bit too long for them to be eventually consumed as he turned into pure fire I guess. Overall I think the show missed out on a chance to have all the new heroes work together Avengers style, or Fantastic Four style, pairing their powers together. Instead Luke sacrificed himself early and they basically sidelined El Vengador, Micah, Farah (admittedly she was recovering), and Carlos's brother. Perhaps that was done to clear the way for Noah's big sacrifice.
As others have pointed out, Quentin shooting Phoebe while she was holding Malina over a stairwell didn't make sense. Nor did Phoebe attempting to kill Malina even after I think she believed Quentin that Erica had abandoned them. Seems like a good time for a redemptive change of heart.
When Kravid leads her chosen few outside into the future Gateway it made me wonder, well who built that city up for them? Was she sending people along the time stream to build the new or restored Gateway? And did Tommy trap her in a future without the new Gateway? I mean she's still out there right, just in the future? I also thought the name "Project: Reborn" sounded odd and was done perhaps because of the show's name. Project Rebirth sounds better. Though the show title Heroes Reborn sounds better than Heroes Rebirth.
Anyway, I thought it was odd for a smug Tommy to explain himself to Kravid before splitting in two and jumping back in time. It seemed like a waste of time to me and why give someone as smart and ruthless as Kravid any inkling of your plan? I would be afraid she might somehow find a way to counter it. Perhaps he did it because he knew she couldn't but that just makes him look like a gloating asshole.
I do wish the ending had not been a cliffhanger. I got the impression that this was supposed to be a closed series, though I'm sure they were planning for additional segments-as the ending supports. That being said, I am curious about the father. Sylar came immediately to mind, but I can't see it being him. But like others I don't really find Tommy or Malina all that interesting that I am bummed that I can't see someone hunting for them.
How I rank the saga:
1. Season 3
2. Season 1
3. Season 2
4. Reborn
5. Season 4
I agree. This season didn't do a good job of bringing all the characters together for the climax. It pretty much sloughed them off one by one until only Noah and his grandkids were left.
Yes, we know from past episodes that she'd been using Hiro's power (when he was trapped in Evernow) to send people and supplies uptime. Although it's hard to believe they could've erected all those tall buildings without some massive cranes and such and a larger infrastructure than they had in a barren post-apocalyptic wasteland.
No, according to what Erica threatened earlier, preventing the apocalypse would cause that entire timeline to cease to exist and erase all its occupants along with it. So Erica presumably vanished in a puff of temporal logic and no longer exists. After all, it's not only the city itself that's gone, it's that entire devastated version of the future Earth. The planet has a different future now, so that reality is gone.
Except that's the name of the supersoldier program that created Captain America in Marvel Comics. It's also the name of a nonprofit support group for veterans and emergency responders. So they had to go with something else here. Though I agree it sounded clumsy.
Thanks Christopher,
So is there an Erica in the past that still exists, or was she wiped out completely? If so, what would that mean for her daughter? Would she have also been wiped out? And if she was wiped out completely was the Odessa Incident and Renautas and all that wiped out too?
Yeah, I thought Project Rebirth was a Captain America thing. Didn't know if they could use it anyway or didn't to avoid any legal problems. I didn't know about the nonprofit group though. Heck, they could've called it something else entirely. Genesis might be too obvious (though isn't that the name of HIVE's project on Arrow?). Project Eden might have worked.
So is there an Erica in the past that still exists, or was she wiped out completely? If so, what would that mean for her daughter? Would she have also been wiped out? And if she was wiped out completely was the Odessa Incident and Renautas and all that wiped out too?
Yeah, I thought Project Rebirth was a Captain America thing. Didn't know if they could use it anyway or didn't to avoid any legal problems. I didn't know about the nonprofit group though. Heck, they could've called it something else entirely. Genesis might be too obvious (though isn't that the name of HIVE's project on Arrow?). Project Eden might have worked.
Everything Erica did in her own past still happened. Nothing in her own history was erased, because the change didn't happen until after she left for the future (i.e. until the flare was prevented). It's only everything after that point that was changed, and since she'd jumped herself forward into that future, she ceased to exist along with it -- not retroactively, just forward. Same as if she'd beamed to another planet that then blew up.
She had a lot of Evos hooked up to those machines...who knows what digitized powers she may have had available to help build the city? One of them might have had Rebuild-the-Great-Wall Vision!