At this point, I have literally no idea what you're trying to say.
Shadow (NOT Shadows) of the Empire (Spoilers Acceptable)
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At this point, I have literally no idea what you're trying to say.
That's fine - there's no sense in you worrying yourself over it. I'm sure there are plenty of other threads on the board that would welcome your attention.
Was never going to happen.
It's like when people say "Why wasn't John Blake named Dick Grayson?"
Probably not.
No, this is worse - at least with the John Blake thing, there was a reason: They intended him being Robin to be something they would do a sneaky reveal with. Too many people would have recognized the name "Dick Grayson". "Ben Solo", on the other hand, could just as easily have been "Bail Solo" or any number of other names, and it wouldn't matter a bit - unless there's some similar reveal coming that relies on that name, but I certainly can't imagine what that would be. And I can imagine a lot.
I have read and purchased virtually everything even tangentially connected to the EU. I memorized various arcana, backstories and Decipher CCG cards. I argued about minor characters, helped create esoteric EU costumes for fan events, blah, blah, blah.
When Disney torpedoed the EU, at first I was outraged, but then about 30 seconds later I felt a profound sense of relief. The EU was overwhelmingly complex, and had for the past 10 years or so been actively punching the "fandom" in the collective nuts - churning out an overwhelming amount of vaguely or directly insulting crappy material. The EU had little to no continuity, little to no respect for the intelligence of the "superfan" that would buy all the poodoo, and was in danger of smothering the franchise. Disney saw that and said "Enough." They started over fresh and clean, and although the new "EU" stuff that has been released has varied in quality, it's still a manageable amount.
But the greatest benefit from the EU dump was that the new films DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRIPPING OVER SOME ARCANE DETAIL that only a few supernerds knew about.
They didn't have to worry about family names, food names, animal names, etc.
It made going to Episode VII a refreshing experience, because I had no idea what was going to happen, I had no idea who was who and what was what. It was awesome!
I salute Disney and the Star Wars team for starting over, and for using a great name like Ben for Hipster Darth Kylo.
They are doing all the right things in my book, and I trust that they will continue to do so.
When Disney torpedoed the EU, at first I was outraged, but then about 30 seconds later I felt a profound sense of relief. The EU was overwhelmingly complex, and had for the past 10 years or so been actively punching the "fandom" in the collective nuts - churning out an overwhelming amount of vaguely or directly insulting crappy material. The EU had little to no continuity, little to no respect for the intelligence of the "superfan" that would buy all the poodoo, and was in danger of smothering the franchise. Disney saw that and said "Enough." They started over fresh and clean, and although the new "EU" stuff that has been released has varied in quality, it's still a manageable amount.
But the greatest benefit from the EU dump was that the new films DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRIPPING OVER SOME ARCANE DETAIL that only a few supernerds knew about.
They didn't have to worry about family names, food names, animal names, etc.
It made going to Episode VII a refreshing experience, because I had no idea what was going to happen, I had no idea who was who and what was what. It was awesome!
I salute Disney and the Star Wars team for starting over, and for using a great name like Ben for Hipster Darth Kylo.
They are doing all the right things in my book, and I trust that they will continue to do so.
I agree. I was initially peeved that I'd be losing (although not really since the books/comics are still available to buy!) the EU, but in terms of post-RotJ, the last thing I really enjoyed was the New Jedi Order (not perfect, but daring and original). The books since then have been fairly terrible with a few exceptions.
I am still sad that there's no KOTOR, but I suspect that, or at least parts of it, will end up back in canon. Then again, canon or not, I can always play the game so it's not some huge loss.
The tree of continued popularity must regularly be fed with the blood of disappointed superfans.
Doesn't look like it did. So they must have made the right call.
I think "Ben" would be the name they used. That's what Luke called him and I think everyone would follow his lead. Luke knew him as Ben. Han knew him as Ben. Leia didn't know him, he was just a name in her Dad's Rolodex. She might want to honor the man who was instrumental in her meeting her husband though.
In the real world, "Ben" is going to resonate more with the audience than "Bail" or "Anakin". And definitely more than "Jacen".
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I think Ben would have made more sense if Luke had a son. Han barely knew the guy.
I mean, if Han and Leia wanted to pick a name to honor someone they knew, they should have named him Wicket.
Luke barely knew the guy too. They met maybe a day before they both met Han. Prior to that "Old Ben Kenobi" was the crazy hermit people talked about from time to time. It's not like Ben popped by the Lars homestead for Sunday dinner once a month.
Still he had a major impact on Luke, Leia and Han's lives.
The galaxy map they released that showed the TFA planets also had Rakata Prime/Lehon on it...
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It was worth it. It was worth dumping all of it. Just to get rid of Vergere and all her bullshit.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, honey.
This problem with Ben is so crazy I don't even get what the complaint is. I literally have no idea what the problem is about. Not even a suspicion as to what it might be about.
Seriously, what?
Seriously, what?
^ Some people think Ben should have been named Jacen... even though this cinematic story has absolutely nothing to do with the written stories that featured the character Jacen Solo.
I gave up on the EU novels a long time ago... probably after "The Crystal Star."
I kept seeing all these myriad books about the new Jedi order, Han and Leia's family and whatnot, and it was all just getting so bloated and hard to keep track of. And besides, I just knew that if they ever did any sequel movies, none of that would count for anything, even thought it was "sort of" canon. And that turned out to be true!
Yeah, I can play the game whenever I feel like it. And the setting thousands and thousands of years in the past doesn't really have any direct bearing on the era of the movies, so in my head I have no problem considering that it sort of "still counts" on some level.
Kor
I gave up on the EU novels a long time ago... probably after "The Crystal Star."
I kept seeing all these myriad books about the new Jedi order, Han and Leia's family and whatnot, and it was all just getting so bloated and hard to keep track of. And besides, I just knew that if they ever did any sequel movies, none of that would count for anything, even thought it was "sort of" canon. And that turned out to be true!
Yeah, I can play the game whenever I feel like it. And the setting thousands and thousands of years in the past doesn't really have any direct bearing on the era of the movies, so in my head I have no problem considering that it sort of "still counts" on some level.Kor
Ben sacrificed his life for Luke, Han and Leia. That tends to stick with a person.
Isn't Jacen basically pronounced like Jason? I am so deaf I probably wouldn't tell the difference – if there's one.
It really isn't so much that he should have been named Jacen - that just would have been nice. It's that he shouldn't have been named Ben.
I understand the points about how cluttered and trashed up the EU became - truly, I do, and I think after how they've gone on about some writer named Karen something-or-other that screwed up the clonetroopers series somehow, I really think my Star Wars fanatic friends do, too. It's just that having this other character show up named Ben is about as weird and jarring as if they had called Finn "Thrawn" or Poe "Mara Jade" - there is almost literally an infinite number of other ways to go with naming the characters, but they had to run over the name of a primary EU character. If that was accidental, well, okay I guess, but it almost seems like it would have had to be intentional, and that's what has them (and me on their behalf) a little steamed - almost like someone wanted to thumb their nose at us nerds.
I assume it's pronounced like Jason, but I had a pronunciation for Jorus C'Boath in my head for the last twenty-four years that went out the window when I heard Timothy Zahn pronounce it. I thought it was "SUH-bow-ath," and Zahn says, "say-BO-ath."
You might want to ease up a bit. You're trying way too hard to be "outraged" on behalf of your friends.
Ben's a name with history in the SW universe, especially for these characters. Its connection is through the OT, not the EU. Its no more jarring in the context its being used than it would be in the real world. So its not like using Thrawn or Mara Jade, because they have no precedents or connections to Solo-Skywalker-Organa clan. (Or the OT for that matter)
