The First Trailer

[mredom]

As stated in "Space Seed," the Third World War was originally the same as the Eugenics Wars.

Spock: The mid-1990s was the era of your last so-called World War.
McCoy: The Eugenics Wars.

Kor

Again, this illustrates... lack of clarity in continuity. It's OK, My point was to illustrate what I loved about Trek, and: that this trailer looks like the things I love about Trek.

 

[Kor]

Re: The Great Escape.

A great call-back to a classic movie of the same era from which TOS arose.

Kor

 

[mredom]

He would have punched Q in the face in the pilot

Sisko did punch Q in the face, and he left the DS9 crew alone for the subsequent seven years. Sounds like a win for the face-punching column.

Sometimes I wish trekbbs had a like button...

 

[Sans]

I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" and then didn't watch TNG for three years. I was so angry about Q (an obvious ripoff of "Squire of Gothos") and the retroactive injection of a third world war (which prior to TNG was a war that Earth avoided).

Earth didn't avoid a third world war:

SPOCK: Situations quite familiar to the six million who died in your first world war, the eleven million who died in your second, the thirty seven million who died in your third. Shall I go on?

Well played: From "The Omega Glory"

SPOCK: Kohms? Communists? The parallel is almost too close, Captain. It would mean they fought the war your Earth avoided, and in this case, the Asiatics won and took over this planet.

This also goes to plot holes and continuity errors. It was after all, just a television show. No one knew at the time that it would develop 50 years of "continuity".

I think he was referring to the Cold War and the Cuban Missile Crisis, not WWIII.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" and then didn't watch TNG for three years. I was so angry about Q (an obvious ripoff of "Squire of Gothos") and the retroactive injection of a third world war (which prior to TNG was a war that Earth avoided).

Earth didn't avoid a third world war:

SPOCK: Situations quite familiar to the six million who died in your first world war, the eleven million who died in your second, the thirty seven million who died in your third. Shall I go on?

Well played: From "The Omega Glory"

SPOCK: Kohms? Communists? The parallel is almost too close, Captain. It would mean they fought the war your Earth avoided, and in this case, the Asiatics won and took over this planet.

This also goes to plot holes and continuity errors. It was after all, just a television show. No one knew at the time that it would develop 50 years of "continuity".

The two statements aren't necessarily contradictory. It just means WWIII was not a war fought between Communist nations and democracies.

 

[BillJ]

I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" and then didn't watch TNG for three years. I was so angry about Q (an obvious ripoff of "Squire of Gothos") and the retroactive injection of a third world war (which prior to TNG was a war that Earth avoided).

Earth didn't avoid a third world war:

SPOCK: Situations quite familiar to the six million who died in your first world war, the eleven million who died in your second, the thirty seven million who died in your third. Shall I go on?

Well played: From "The Omega Glory"

SPOCK: Kohms? Communists? The parallel is almost too close, Captain. It would mean they fought the war your Earth avoided, and in this case, the Asiatics won and took over this planet.

This also goes to plot holes and continuity errors. It was after all, just a television show. No one knew at the time that it would develop 50 years of "continuity".

Put my nerd hat on for a minute...

Was Spock talking about a third world war or a biological war?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" and then didn't watch TNG for three years. I was so angry about Q (an obvious ripoff of "Squire of Gothos") and the retroactive injection of a third world war (which prior to TNG was a war that Earth avoided).

Earth didn't avoid a third world war:

SPOCK: Situations quite familiar to the six million who died in your first world war, the eleven million who died in your second, the thirty seven million who died in your third. Shall I go on?

And I've always loved the way Kirk avoids that entire debate altogether:

CLAUDIUS: Interesting. And you, Captain, which world do you prefer?
KIRK: My world, proconsul, is my vessel, my oath, my crew. What happened to your vessel you've explained. What happened to your oath is obvious.

It's such a KIRK responds to ambiguity. "Cool story bro... you're under arrest."

He would have punched Q in the face in the pilot

Sisko did punch Q in the face, and he left the DS9 crew alone for the subsequent seven years. Sounds like a win for the face-punching column.

And a win for Sisko too. He had a lot of Kirkian "Just deal with it" moments that are delightfully elegant in their simplicity.

 

[Paradise City]

There's Colonel Green, the Eugenics Wars, World War III...am I missing something or mixing something up here? The Eugenics Wars were in the 90s or something?

Oh, I dunno....

 

[Kor]

From TOS we can surmise the following:

- There was a third World War, in which 37 million died.
- The Western Bloc / Eastern Bloc Cold War of the latter twentieth century did not result in a large-scale hot war, as many people feared might happen in the real world.
- Instead, World War III took place in the 1990s and involved power struggles between genetic supermen, with "whole populations bombed out of existence." It was also known as "the Eugenics Wars."

All that goes together just fine.

But later, in TNG, World War III was retroactively moved forward into the 21st century, as shown in "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Star Trek: First Contact." WWIII did not seem to be related to the Eugenics Wars anymore, and the death toll was now 600 million instead of 37 million.

Kor

 

[M'Sharak]

Leaving plausibility and all that stuff aside, the motorcycle stuff just gives me traumatic flashbacks to Battlestar Galactica 1980.

http://pics.imcdb.org/0ge20/203993-vlcsnap-00031.jpg

http://redeyerogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/galacticafail_motorbikes2.jpg

[Converted to links. Pics posted as embedded images should be hosted on web space or an image-sharing account registered to you. - M']

Paradise City, I'm not sure what IMCDb's policy is concerning reposting of images and I wasn't quickly able to locate it on their website but, as a general rule, it's best not to hotlink images from other people's websites unless they've explicitly granted permission to do so or made them freely available via a Creative Commons license. I've changed the pics above to links.

 

[CorporalClegg]

From TOS we can surmise the following:

- There was a third World War, in which 37 million died.
- The Western Bloc / Eastern Bloc Cold War of the latter twentieth century did not result in a large-scale hot war, as many people feared might happen in the real world.
- Instead, World War III took place in the 1990s and involved power struggles between genetic supermen, with "whole populations bombed out of existence." It was also known as "the Eugenics Wars."

All that goes together just fine.

But later, in TNG, World War III was retroactively moved forward into the 21st century, as shown in "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Star Trek: First Contact." WWIII did not seem to be related to the Eugenics Wars anymore, and the death toll was now 600 million instead of 37 million.

Kor

This is been retconed so many time and was so vague to begin with, that it's not really worth fretting too much over.

And then there is, of course, the whole 1990s thing. While Greg's explanation is a lot of fun and makes for a great read, it's not really practical..

And besides, the implication I get from "Past Tense" is that the Bell Riots were before the Eugenics Wars and World War III. Like, the crumbling global economic infrastructure is what allowed Khan to amass power (much like Hitler). Perhaps someone "created" Khan for the purpose of filling that role. The Eugenics wars turned into a war between haves and have-nots and degraded to the point where economic lines became synonymous with geographical ones.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" and then didn't watch TNG for three years. I was so angry about Q (an obvious ripoff of "Squire of Gothos") and the retroactive injection of a third world war (which prior to TNG was a war that Earth avoided).

Earth didn't avoid a third world war:

SPOCK: Situations quite familiar to the six million who died in your first world war, the eleven million who died in your second, the thirty seven million who died in your third. Shall I go on?

Not to mention the existence of Colonel Green who made his bones in WWIII. Literally.

 

[RoJoHen]

Okay, I watched it again, and it seems pretty clear that there is A LOT we're not seeing. The movie was bound to be very action-packed, but I have a hard time thinking that someone like Simon Pegg would let us down. His reaction to the trailer was all I needed.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere:

Simon Pegg does not like the Star Trek Beyond trailer

The gist of it is, there's more to the movie than the action trailer shows.

 

[Kor]

^ The actual video was posted several pages ago and already got buried in a myriad of new posts.

Here it is again for those who haven't seen it :

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f4aAwa5wdg[/yt]

Kor

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

The damage control is under way; The negative reaction has been heard loud and clear

 

[Amaris]

The damage control is under way; The negative reaction has been heard loud and clear

What damage control? Seriously, this movie has already been made, and is in the process of being finished. What does yelling, screaming, and kicking one's feet accomplish in a positive way? Nothing.

This isn't damage control, it's a man who loves Star Trek taking a moment to speak to those who disagree with him, and he's doing it out of respect. He doesn't owe anyone anything, much less the idea that he's engaging in damage control. Silliness.

 

[Paradise City]

It is damage control but it's not needed. The trailer has polarised people yes but people are talking about it more than if everybody agreed on it and if you are one of these types who upholds "box office" success as some kind of priority then you should really be more than happy.

Whether this film is swell or swill is unknown because only a brief montage has been released!

I'm kinda chuckling at people who already seem to have every minute of this film mapped out on the back of this trailer. But no problem, having these conversations is what it's all about.

 

[Amaris]

It is damage control but it's not needed. The trailer has polarised people yes but people are talking about it more than if everybody agreed on it and if you are one of these types who upholds "box office" success as some kind of priority then you should really be more than happy.

Whether this film is swell or swill is unknown because only a brief montage has been released!

I'm kinda chuckling at people who already seem to have every minute of this film mapped out on the back of this trailer. But no problem, having these conversations is what it's all about.

To me, something is only damage control if the person saying is worried that their final product might be subpar. I doubt Pegg has any kind of worry in that regard. What he's doing is expanding on the trailer, and the concept behind the film, and that's because there are people who don't know how to do anything other than scream, and he's being very polite to them by humoring them.

 

[eyeresist]

#1: Kirk's motorcycle
Yes, it's an actual MOTORCYLE. Not, it seems to me, an alien contraption made up to look like one. Since it's unlikely that Kirk packed such a thing on the Enterprise with him, let alone managed to pack one on the escape pod when he abandoned ship, he probably got it from Earth -- or some alternate version of it -- some time in the 2010s.

#2: The beginning of the trailer. "Is that music?" This strikes me as another thing Kirk probably wouldn't have brought with him on the Enterprise -- or have a reason to be playing right now -- just for the hell of it, so the song is probably playing on the radio. The ship/room/bunker they're in when he says this has the look of being cobbled together from spare parts, so I'm guessing it's probably a time pod or something (build from salvaged parts of the Enterprise and an alien time engine

#3: The city with the voiceover "This is where it begins" is pretty definitely an EARTH city, and it's being attacked by the same flying things that were threatening McCoy and Spock. There's also the later line "This is where the frontier pushes back" strongly implying that somebody out there is trying to undo Federation expansion into their region of space (or expansion in general). The only real way to do that is retroactively, hence time travel.

#4: Some of the fight scenes with the Big Bad (Idris Elba?) take place on the Enterprise WHILE IT'S BEING DESTROYED. That suggests either the destruction of the Enterprise takes place relatively late in the movie (which is very unlikely since this entire trailer would be a ridiculous spoiler) or Kirk and Crew managed to time travel back to the moment the Enterprise was destroyed in order to prevent the ship's destruction

-Kirk likely brought the bike with him (5 years is a long time and Enterprise is a big ship). The trailer shows Kirk approaching the wreckage of the Enterprise, then leaving on a motorbike.
-The Beastie Boys song was used in ST09 and has an association with Kirk. No reason he wouldn't have it on his iPod (or NuPod).
-The city is Yorktown, a deep space Federation outpost (source: Simon Pegg interview on Nerdist).
-I don't think Kirk is fighting Kraal on the Enterprise; that's just confusion caused by the style of the trailer.

There's CLEARLY some funky time travel shit going on here

Have we been watching the same trailer?

There is no time travel. No Klingons either. And no re-appearance of Khan!

What a load of crap. Typical JJ Abrams, flood the viewer with fast chases, explosions, motorcycle jumps. This is not Star Trek.

You are assuming the movie will be exactly the same as the trailer, but two hours long. This is unlikely.