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The First Trailer

Lin is a more talented director than any previous Trek Helmer other than Wise
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Talent may be subjective, but I think there's a very strong argument for Lin being up there with Wise.

In terms of resumes, there is simply no comparison between Lin and any other Trek film director besides Wise. Even if you consider Meyer circa Star Trek VI, he still had way less experience than Lin. For Nimoy, Shatner, Carson, and Frakes, it was was their first times directing films. I suppose you could say Carson had a long television directing career, and Frakes had a not nearly as long career directing television. For Baird, he was only on his third film, after a career as a hyperfast action editor.

Wise started as an editor too, but had a long career as a director with a wide variety of genres, never really imposing an auteur's aesthetic with his films, treating them very professionally as a craft.

Lin started out with a couple of indie movies, his most famous one being "Better Luck Tomorrow," a challenging film about the Asian American experience, and how it conflicts with the narrative of the model minority. He brought one of those characters into the Fast and Furious franchise and fought to make Tokyo Drift a movie that shows Japan as slick and modern, as opposed to the original concept which exoticized Tokyo into a land of stereotypes.

Coming off of the disgrace of casting a translucently white actor as Khan when they could have made an experienced and talented Bollywood star a crossover superstar, or at least made the lateral move of casting someone like Benecio del Toro, it looks like Lin is correcting for some of the mistakes of the previous films.

This movie looks fun, is less focused on the villain than the theme and mystery (which is what JJ always claims to favor, even though neither of his Trek movies featured much mystery), and looks like it will actually show the politics of an alien society, and possibly the abductions of various peoples.

But beyond that, this actually looks much more fun than the dour and bleak past few villain-centric movies.

I'm pretty excited by this trailer.
 
The problem with the Batman versus Superman trailer is that it showed too much. It showed Superman and Batman cooperating which removed some of the tension. If they had just showed the tension, then it would've been a first class trailer.

The problem with this trailer is that it's a rush of FX and wisecrackery. Sure, sure, you can screenshot and discern greater detail out of the trailer but a trailer's uniqueness should be apparent upon first viewing and if it's a sequel then disclose a morsel that tantalises us and differentiates the film in a significant way from what went on before. Other than that it's situated in a quarry, it really doesn't do that here. Independence Day Resurrection, on the otherhand, is a good trailer because it uses dialogue and scenes to differentiate it from the earlier movie.
 
Well, they tried that. It was called Nemesis. It was made on a budget of 60 mil. It got beat by a Jennifer Lopez rom-com on it's opening weekend and killed TNG.


Independence Day
had a budget of 75 million and that was 20 years ago. Hell, The Martian was 100 million and most of that movie was Matt Damon talking to dirt. Want it to be like Interstellar? $165m.

Good movies are expensive. Its a sci-fi/action/summer movie. There aren't any sub-100 million dollar movies made like that anymore.

That being said, high budgets don't mean it will make money. Those are called flops (Jupiter Ascending made $47m on a budget of $176m, John Carter made $73m on $250m budget), but there's zero indication that Beyond will be one.
Sorry good movies don't need to be expensive.
Sci-fi ones do.
No, they don't.
 
Well, they tried that. It was called Nemesis. It was made on a budget of 60 mil. It got beat by a Jennifer Lopez rom-com on it's opening weekend and killed TNG.


Independence Day
had a budget of 75 million and that was 20 years ago. Hell, The Martian was 100 million and most of that movie was Matt Damon talking to dirt. Want it to be like Interstellar? $165m.

Good movies are expensive. Its a sci-fi/action/summer movie. There aren't any sub-100 million dollar movies made like that anymore.

That being said, high budgets don't mean it will make money. Those are called flops (Jupiter Ascending made $47m on a budget of $176m, John Carter made $73m on $250m budget), but there's zero indication that Beyond will be one.
Sorry good movies don't need to be expensive.
Sci-fi ones do.

Some of my favorite science fiction movies have been indie films like "Another Earth," "Europa Report," "District 9," "Looper" (though that was slightly bigger, with a $30 million budget), "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind," "Cube."
 
Lin started out with a couple of indie movies, his most famous one being "Better Luck Tomorrow," a challenging film about the Asian American experience, and how it conflicts with the narrative of the model minority. He brought one of those characters into the Fast and Furious franchise and fought to make Tokyo Drift a movie that shows Japan as slick and modern, as opposed to the original concept which exoticized Tokyo into a land of stereotypes.

Better Luck Tomorrow is the only good movie Lin has ever made. Everything else he's done has be mediocre or terrible. Tokoyo Drift is so dumb it's nearly unwatchable.
 
A funny trailer for a random action movie.

Interesting to read how some applaud to anything and call it "Star Trek" as long as someone wrote "Star Trek" on it. Why not produce Star Trek porn films? I mean Shatner was shirtless all the time and many women were nearly naked anyway and since Star Trek has to open up for new audiences - porn always works!

I will not bother watching Beyond in the cinema since a) I'm not the biggest movie-goer and b) I guess it's that kind of movie where you always want to have the chance to turn it off or make a pause etc. ... whatever...
 
Given how divisive this trailer is, I have a feeling the next one will be a lot more "traditional", or lower key.
 
r Avengers. But Star Trek was always a bit smaller, a bit more brain-y, and a bit more nerdy.

IOW, unsuitable theatrical for release by a major film studio.

These movies haven't and won't "alienate the core audience" - the core audience turns out for them on opening weekend, and then a small fraction of that audience takes to the Internet to denounce them.

For years.


Interesting to read how some applaud to anything and call it "Star Trek" as long as someone wrote "Star Trek" on it.

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Because I've been watching Star Trek for nearly fifty years, know what it is, what I expect and what I want (and so rarely have seen in the years since 1969). That's why I call this Star Trek. :cool:
 
But I think the current problem is the producers: They want Trek to be their Star Wars, GotG, Transformers or Avengers.

I don't see that as a problem. Those are highly popular and successful franchises that make a gazillion dollars. I don't fault TPTB for wanting Trek to be like them.

But Star Trek was always a bit smaller, a bit more brain-y, and a bit more nerdy.

And unfortunately, that is what doomed TNG movie trek. In today's movie market, that simply does not sell anymore.
 
They had a series based on a grim space station half populated by cynical misery guts and called it "Star Trek".

But equally I don't get the argument that they did dumb stuff in the episodes, it's cool that they do dumb stuff in the films.

We don't need Mr. Scott being pulled around in a transparent tube or Kirk going from cadet to Captain in a week. We don't need that stuff. As times go on, we need to tighten our craft. Hopefully this film will be a tighter piece of cinema.
 
But I think the current problem is the producers: They want Trek to be their Star Wars, GotG, Transformers or Avengers.

I don't see that as a problem. Those are highly popular and successful franchises that make a gazillion dollars. I don't fault TPTB for wanting Trek to be like them.

But Star Trek was always a bit smaller, a bit more brain-y, and a bit more nerdy.
And unfortunately, that is what doomed TNG movie trek. In today's movie market, that simply does not sell anymore.
This. Trek is no longer really "for the fans". Hasn't been for a very long time, I'm thinking. Remember the abortive "valentine for the fans" that was the Enterprise finale? No thank you.

I'm okay if Trek has been re-tooled for a mass-market audience. Some will call it a "sell out" - others, such as myself, will know that it will live on if all the seats in the theaters that screen it are "sold out". That will be the true measure of success.

The more I see hard-core fan ire about anything Trek that deviates from their vision - or worse, the vision of Saint Gene, the more I think this movie will rock. And to those who faithfully and dutifully keep the torch for Gene's vision, I leave you with this...valentine.









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He thanks you...
 
You will get the Transformers crowd, that's only there for the spectacle. But you will loose your core audience, which in turn damages the brand.


How am I not part of the core audience for this movie?

Been watching for a long time? Check. Since 1975.
Trek fan? Check.
Owns all the series? Check.
Owns all the movies? Check.
Buys toys? Check.
Buys novels? Check.
Buys comics? Check.

I'm so confused right now.
 
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These movies haven't and won't "alienate the core audience" - the core audience turns out for them on opening weekend, and then a small fraction of that audience takes to the Internet to denounce them.

How am I not part of the core audience for this movie?

Been watching for a long time? Check. Since 1975.
Trek fan? Check.
Owns all the series? Check.
Owns all the movies? Check.
Buys toys? Check.
Buys novels? Check.
Buys comics? Check.

I'm so confused right now.

I'm more confused because I don't understand how what you have said in this post is in conflict with what Dennis says in the quoted post in any way...
 
But equally I don't get the argument that they did dumb stuff in the episodes, it's cool that they do dumb stuff in the films.

It's cool that they do stuff in the movies that has worked and been popular in the TV shows - and also, BTW, stuff that people like in all kinds of entertainment other than Star Trek.

You want Trek to be a closed, self-referential system that takes itself uber-seriously at every turn? Watch it die.
 
This is unquestionably going to be the greatest Star Trek movie of all time. Better than any Star Trek film anybody might make in the future. That's simply fact.
 
This is unquestionably going to be the greatest Star Trek movie of all time. Better than any Star Trek film anybody might make in the future. That's simply fact.
Predictions are now fact? Wait, is this sarcasm? Satire? A take on political wishful prophesy? Brilliant.
 
But equally I don't get the argument that they did dumb stuff in the episodes, it's cool that they do dumb stuff in the films.

It's cool that they do stuff in the movies that has worked and been popular in the TV shows - and also, BTW, stuff that people like in all kinds of entertainment other than Star Trek.

You want Trek to be a closed, self-referential system that takes itself uber-seriously at every turn? Watch it die.
Nope. I'm happy to see Star Trek turned on its head if you like. I want decent cinema. Strong television is produced today, so it's not impossible. Unfortunately cinema in this genre is driven by mostly torturous FX that overshadows everything else. Graphic novels brought to the big screen essentially which has been in vogue for the last 10 years or so.

What's most striking isn't even that. It's people pouring over the accounts and wading through the books as if they are waiting for it to make zillions so as to get permission to like a given film. I don't need to see the books to know whether a given film appeals to me or not and how film does at the "box office"and garbage like that doesn't even feature on my radar. People get very excitable about issues of this sort which always amazes me.
 
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