“Heaven Sent” Grade and Discussion Thread
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If you punch the wall hard enough to break half the bones in your arm.
Although, if he just licked the wall, it would possibly only have taken 10,000 times as long as punching it.
If it takes you 1 billion years to punch a hole through wood, you need to start working out more.
No, it doesn't work on wood.
The passage of time outside of the confession dial during this episode?
0 billion years or 12 billion years?
Was he miniaturized or was it all virtual in AI?
I think the Confession Dial is a tench run (y'know like in Star Wars to the vent) to get to Galifrey that's just too annoying to take because you can't get there via time travel. You have cock about for 12 billion years on a specific stretch of 12 billion years in a specific stretch of space until a magic door appears.
If regular time is regular, and locked time is locked, why can't there be well lubed time?
0 billion years or 12 billion years?
Was he miniaturized or was it all virtual in AI?
I think the Confession Dial is a tench run (y'know like in Star Wars to the vent) to get to Galifrey that's just too annoying to take because you can't get there via time travel. You have cock about for 12 billion years on a specific stretch of 12 billion years in a specific stretch of space until a magic door appears.
If regular time is regular, and locked time is locked, why can't there be well lubed time?
So, now that I've had time to process...
The Doctor has been reliving the same loop for 2 billion years. Each loop lasts X-number of days, and then the Doctor dies and prints a new copy of himself to start it all over again.
BUT...the castle, the creature, and the planet are all still going. They might "tidy up" after themselves, but they're still there after all that time, which is why we see a giant pile of skulls under water. So what is the creature? How is the castle even standing after 2 billion years?
I'm probably thinking too much, and I don't actually expect answers to these kinds of technical questions. It couldn't be a simulation; that wouldn't make sense. Why would a simulation bother changing the stars? So assuming this planet was real, where was it, and who put the castle there in the first place? The Time Lords, apparently, but why? Is there a weird castle out there for every Time Lord with a confession dial?
The Doctor has been reliving the same loop for 2 billion years. Each loop lasts X-number of days, and then the Doctor dies and prints a new copy of himself to start it all over again.
BUT...the castle, the creature, and the planet are all still going. They might "tidy up" after themselves, but they're still there after all that time, which is why we see a giant pile of skulls under water. So what is the creature? How is the castle even standing after 2 billion years?
I'm probably thinking too much, and I don't actually expect answers to these kinds of technical questions. It couldn't be a simulation; that wouldn't make sense. Why would a simulation bother changing the stars? So assuming this planet was real, where was it, and who put the castle there in the first place? The Time Lords, apparently, but why? Is there a weird castle out there for every Time Lord with a confession dial?
The tower appeared to be inside the confession dial.
It's possible that that was representative, or it's possible that if the dial was a door/window, what we saw was forced perspective but... Meh?
It's possible that that was representative, or it's possible that if the dial was a door/window, what we saw was forced perspective but... Meh?
Well, yes. I assume it's a Time Lord "bigger on the inside" situation, similar to the stasis cubes used in "Day of the Doctor." But it's still got to be a real tower on a real planet. The Doctor recognized the star patterns, and he recognized that they were changing. If it's just a simulation that the Doctor is doomed to repeat AND forget, why bother accounting for stellar drift?
Why does it "go to be on a planet?" Because it has gravity and stars? It could just be simulation of some sort and the stars change for The Doctor's benefit, so he can track time.
Dimensional transcendentalism would mean if that was a full size castle, that our vantage point of the tower (near the end of the show from outside) would have to be from very, very far away and upwards... But yes they can easily fit an entire planet in there.
They could have left his body print in storage for 2 billion years, there was no earthy reason to have him cycle through all those deaths unless a conscious awake mind was necessary for the transit to Galifrey.
They could have left his body print in storage for 2 billion years, there was no earthy reason to have him cycle through all those deaths unless a conscious awake mind was necessary for the transit to Galifrey.
The Doctor had to be "tricked" into killing himself/allowing his own death, otherwise he'd go insane from travelling for 2 billion years from point A to Galifrey.
The timeloop was a sort of stasis that was idiot proof. He couldn't oversleep, and the machinery couldn't wear down or break down over the course of 2 billion years.
The passage of time outside of the confession dial during this episode?
0 billion years or 12 billion years?
Was he miniaturized or was it all virtual in AI?
I think the Confession Dial is a tench run (y'know like in Star Wars to the vent) to get to Galifrey that's just too annoying to take because you can't get there via time travel. You have cock about for 12 billion years on a specific stretch of 12 billion years in a specific stretch of space until a magic door appears.
If regular time is regular, and locked time is locked, why can't there be well lubed time?
I am thinking miniaturized. Because we could see the castle and moat when he picked up the confession dial. So it must have been some kind of shrinking field..
The passage of time outside of the confession dial during this episode?
0 billion years or 12 billion years?
Was he miniaturized or was it all virtual in AI?
I think the Confession Dial is a tench run (y'know like in Star Wars to the vent) to get to Galifrey that's just too annoying to take because you can't get there via time travel. You have cock about for 12 billion years on a specific stretch of 12 billion years in a specific stretch of space until a magic door appears.
If regular time is regular, and locked time is locked, why can't there be well lubed time?
I am thinking miniaturized. Because we could see the castle and moat when he picked up the confession dial. So it must have been some kind of shrinking field..
why does it have to shrinking? Given Time Lord technology - it could simply be that if you look into the dial, you are seeing the castle from far away in the sky...
Yup.
It's possible, a geostationary observation portal 6 thousand feet above the castle.
If that is or isn't so, the Doctor still didn't physically go through that hole on some sort of space elevator or levitation pad, which calls into question, why bother?
It's possible, a geostationary observation portal 6 thousand feet above the castle.
If that is or isn't so, the Doctor still didn't physically go through that hole on some sort of space elevator or levitation pad, which calls into question, why bother?
The passage of time outside of the confession dial during this episode?
0 billion years or 12 billion years?
Was he miniaturized or was it all virtual in AI?
I think the Confession Dial is a tench run (y'know like in Star Wars to the vent) to get to Galifrey that's just too annoying to take because you can't get there via time travel. You have cock about for 12 billion years on a specific stretch of 12 billion years in a specific stretch of space until a magic door appears.
If regular time is regular, and locked time is locked, why can't there be well lubed time?
I am thinking miniaturized. Because we could see the castle and moat when he picked up the confession dial. So it must have been some kind of shrinking field..
It's Timelord technology, bigger on the inside.
It can simply be the door like any other TARDIS type technology - we've seen when the door space size is not related to the interior (I forget the episode).
If you have a clear line of sight to the swimming pool where Frobisher was hanging out - it would appear from the outside that you were looking at a comical mini-pool and tiny bird creature thing.
On Further reflection, I think our birds eye observation of the tower in the confession dial is a screen saver.
I know the assumption is that the skulls belong to the previous Doctors in the cycle, but that doesn't make sense, because there should also be bodies from previous cycles. A body doesn't decompose from corpse to skeleton overnight.
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