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The Man in the High Castle - Amazon

DarthTom

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Caught the pilot of the new TV series produced by Amazon. The Man in the High Castle is an alternative universe scenario in which the Nazi's win WWII and have essentially divided the United States into 2 - the Japanese taking the West Coast and the Nazi's taking basically the Mississippi river East.

The interesting ripple in this alt universe series is some people become aware of film clips that portray an alternative ending to WWII - the one we know - and the story unfolds.

It's surprisingly better than I thought it might be. Anyone see this? Thoughts?

The Man in the High Castle
 
I watched the first two episodes on the "premiere/preview weekend" they had a couple of weeks back. It was very well done and am eagerly awaiting the rest of the season to be posted.
 
I watched the first two episodes on the "premiere/preview weekend" they had a couple of weeks back. It was very well done and am eagerly awaiting the rest of the season to be posted.

Yea, I'm sorry I missed that. The show is actually much better than the premise. Love the super sonic liner and the Nazi reception scene which played authentic.
 
I watched the first couple episodes after they were posted. I really enjoyed them and eagerly anticipating the rest of the season.
So for those of you who have read the book, do they explain the origin of the news reels (although based off of what I read on Wikipedia, it's novel there not news reels)?
 
I watched the first couple episodes after they were posted. I really enjoyed them and eagerly anticipating the rest of the season.
So for those of you who have read the book, do they explain the origin of the news reels (although based off of what I read on Wikipedia, it's novel there not news reels)?

I think you're right. But news reels work better for a TV show I'd think.

Is Amazon going to do a series dump on 11.20 or a release weekly?
 
I watched the first couple episodes after they were posted. I really enjoyed them and eagerly anticipating the rest of the season.
So for those of you who have read the book, do they explain the origin of the news reels (although based off of what I read on Wikipedia, it's novel there not news reels)?

I think you're right. But news reels work better for a TV show I'd think.

Is Amazon going to do a series dump on 11.20 or a release weekly?
I'm pretty sure Amazon releases the full seasons of their original shows all at once like Netflix.
 
I watched the first couple episodes after they were posted. I really enjoyed them and eagerly anticipating the rest of the season.
So for those of you who have read the book, do they explain the origin of the news reels (although based off of what I read on Wikipedia, it's novel there not news reels)?

I think you're right. But news reels work better for a TV show I'd think.

Is Amazon going to do a series dump on 11.20 or a release weekly?
I'm pretty sure Amazon releases the full seasons of their original shows all at once like Netflix.

I believe the advertisement indicated that the whole season would be released on 11/20. However, I would note that Netflix does not release all of its shows all at once anymore. They have begun playing-around with the weekly formula (starting with show called Between, though they apparently had a good reason for this one--the show was airing at the same time on a Canada tv station and the agreement was to avoid spoilers).
 
Re-watched the pilot again last night. It's really, really high quality in terms their attention to detail. One thing though is notably absent in this scenario is if the Nazi's and the Japanese 'split,' the United States, what happened to Canada and South America in such a scenario?
 
Just wanted to remind everybody who plans on watching this that it comes out Friday.
 
Any more comments on this series? I watched the first two eps tonight. Intriguing concept! And I love that this is the first project to "involve" both Phillip K. Dick and Ridley Scott since Blade Runner!
 
It's really good. The pace can be quite slow, but since it's exploring such an interesting world it's not a problem.
 
I binged-watched it after eagerly waiting for it for the past month, since they previewed the 2nd episode. And of course, loving the pilot back in January.

I liked it. The "slow pacing" that most critics are complaining about didn't bother me much. Although my excitement for it did drop off (after the first two episodes had me feeling it would be a 10 out of 10, perfect series), I still think it was a solid concept with mostly great execution. There were some great moments of tension in several installments, and the worldbuilding remained strong throughout.

I'm one who hates "WTF?!" endings, though. And while this does leave some clues, it's very open-ended and up to the viewer's interpretation. The latter episodes also had a few surprises and new characters, which is always nice.

I have to say though, I'm really starting to dislike the 10-episode concept. I would've liked another 2-3 episodes in this world. The story could've supported it, I think, because there are a couple of areas they could've explored but didn't.

Will there be a season 2? It seemed like a pretty self-contained story and the ending, while open to interpretation, is also pretty darn final. So if this is all we get, I'm reasonably satisfied and I'll give it an 8.5/10
 
I watched the first couple episodes after they were posted. I really enjoyed them and eagerly anticipating the rest of the season.
So for those of you who have read the book, do they explain the origin of the news reels (although based off of what I read on Wikipedia, it's novel there not news reels)?

In the book - its a book also called 'The Grasshopper Lies Heavy' my reading of it (and its just my reading) is the author is from an alternative reality (or maybe 'our' world and he wrote a fictional history of another third world, its complex) - julia slips into that reality at the end of the book (we see another character slip realities for a moment earlier).
 
In the book - its a book also called 'The Grasshopper Lies Heavy' my reading of it (and its just my reading) is the author is from an alternative reality (or maybe 'our' world and he wrote a fictional history of another third world, its complex) - julia slips into that reality at the end of the book (we see another character slip realities for a moment earlier).

That's not my read on the ending. But people have been arguing over what Dick meant at the end for fifty years. :)

If you do a Google search on the meaning of the ending of High Castle, you can find all sorts of theories. It's probably best for the open-ended, ambiguous nature of it that Dick never finished and published the sequel he worked on in the early 70s.

In light of what happens to Dick and his 2-3-74 experience, it's tempting to read the ending of High Castle as presaging his own "pink light" experience. Juliana, like the dark haired girl, shows up at the home of an author and imparts with the author an epiphany about the nature of world, specifically that the world the author lives in is unreal. In Dick's case, it was the belief that we are trapped in a "Black Iron Prison" and these are actually Roman times. In Hawthorne Abendsen's case, it was that Germany and Japan lost the war.

I take Juliana's fate quite literally. The last line of the book says she's on her way back to her motel, and I see no reason to doubt that. I don't think she escapes to the world of The Grasshopper Lies Heavy (which isn't our world, either -- Hitler is captured and put on trial) anymore than Tagomi escapes to our world (his hallucination of the Embarcadero Expressway). I think they simply know that the world they live in isn't right.

The way Juliana uses the I Ching annoys me. The three-coin method is simple and quick, but it produces skewed results from the traditional yarrow stalk method. (I use the four-coin method which produces results identical percentage-wise to the yarrow stalks.) So I find her Hexagram 61 at the conclusion suspect.

I also think it's clear that Abendsen isn't from another world. He's quite confused (and his wife quite angry) at Juliana's insistence, with the I Ching's backing, that the world isn't right. Perhaps he, like PKD believed about himself, he's actually someone else trapped and blinded by reality. But, as far as Abendsen is concerned, the world he lives in is real. Even if his world isn't real, he believes it to be so.
 
I also think it's clear that Abendsen isn't from another world. He's quite confused (and his wife quite angry) at Juliana's insistence, with the I Ching's backing, that the world isn't right.

I don't know about that - as I've said its been a while since I read it - however I seem to remember that when Julia raises his Gestapo file he notes that they haven't existed since 1947 and the reference to being killed by a nazi expert not a nazi.
 
The pilot was beautifully filmed, but I don't understand the point of the show. The creators came out and said they had to add the rebel storyline to 'lighten' the show up, however in the pilot that is like the whole thing.

Also is this a miniseries or an on going show? Is there any chance for a second season? I'm trying to get a friend to watch it and he normally likes miniseries more.
 
^ Initially it is a 10-episode series. It ends in such a way that I can't personally see a season 2. Although some things are left open ended, the final 30 seconds or so reflect a definite finality to proceedings.

The addition of the resistance movement was to make it palatable to sell to TV execs, who were apparently fearful that American viewers watching the show wouldn't believe that citizens living in an oppressive, fascist alternate-reality US would take it lying down. It also gives the show something to do other than just exploring the alternate world.
 
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