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"Under the Lake" Grading and Discussion Thread

How do you rate "Under the Lake"?

  • Excellent

    Votes: 27 37.5%
  • Very Good

    Votes: 33 45.8%
  • Good

    Votes: 10 13.9%
  • Decent

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Rubbish

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    72
I didn't get the purpose of that bizarre Doctor and Clara scene in the TARDIS. It just reaffirmed the anti-chemistry that 12 and Clara had. Also, I still want to smash the sonic sunglasses with a hammer.
I'll have to watch it again, but 2 explanations come to mind for that exchange: (1) Clara's rumored fate later this season or (2) the fact that she'll "play Doctor" again in the next episode (like in Flatline), giving her a taste of what it's really like to live the TARDIS life full-on.
 
I was sorry that we lost the Captain early on. He seems like he would have been a good character.
 
Good episode but definitely suffered from stretching out events to fill out 90 minutes. A whole lot of running around corridors (which is both a complaint and a nostalgic callback to the old series in one).

I also though it was pretty painful that the Doctor conveniently can't read lips or understand sign language (despite being able to speak all languages including baby) in order to give the deaf character a vital importance to the story.
 
Loved this episode for the most part because it feels like classic Who. The only problem I've got with it is that I can't buy the "oh no! A main character is now dead!" cliffhanger gimmick Moffat seems to be in love with now. I saw his interview where he said it would be the most suspenseful cliffhanger yet. It's not. We all know everything turns out alright. Heck, I can confidently predict that the Doctor is the one in the frigging suspended animation box. I know it's a staple of Dr Who cliffhangers to make the audience think "Oh no! How's he going to get out of this latest mess?", but showing him or a companion dead really doesn't make anyone think "Oh no, he's really dead! I guess the series is prematurely over". If they really want to create that kind of emotional reaction, how about killing the Doctor off mid-season, having the next handful of episodes without him, then bring him back once everyone is convinced he's really dead and the series is going on without him?
 
I read one of the Doctor's cards said "I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN YOU DIDN'T LIVE IN ABERDEEN." Nice Sarah Jane callback.
 
I also though it was pretty painful that the Doctor conveniently can't read lips or understand sign language (despite being able to speak all languages including baby) in order to give the deaf character a vital importance to the story.

True, the Doctor should know sign-language. Hell, the TARDIS can't translate sign language? Even just captions sent to the sonic glasses should be sufficient.

If they really want to create that kind of emotional reaction, how about killing the Doctor off mid-season, having the next handful of episodes without him, then bring him back once everyone is convinced he's really dead and the series is going on without him?

But then the show isn't really Doctor Who if the Doctor is gone for half the season, is it?
 
I understand not wanting the Doctor to be able to do absolutely anything but yeah, his lack of knowledge of sign language and the inability of the TARDIS to translate late it is hard to swallow.
 
Also, PC Principal is already organizing a mass protest and angrily shuffling the papers on the desk because the only black character in the episode was killed off in the opening scene. That was... an odd choice.
 
I understand not wanting the Doctor to be able to do absolutely anything but yeah, his lack of knowledge of sign language and the inability of the TARDIS to translate late it is hard to swallow.

It's an inherent flaw of the show at times. The Doctor is meant to be a genius, but when it's important to the plot he's suddenly ignorant on a particular subject matter. Sometimes this is used to comedic effect, others it's just a plot hole.

Also, PC Principal is already organizing a mass protest and angrily shuffling the papers on the desk because the only black character in the episode was killed off in the opening scene. That was... an odd choice.

So it doesn't matter that a white guy was also killed and that an Indian guy is still alive?
 
Excellent! I loved everything about this episode. Completely entertaining and engrossing from beginning to end! Absolutely perfect!!

Mr Awe
 
I understand not wanting the Doctor to be able to do absolutely anything but yeah, his lack of knowledge of sign language and the inability of the TARDIS to translate late it is hard to swallow.

It's an inherent flaw of the show at times. The Doctor is meant to be a genius, but when it's important to the plot he's suddenly ignorant on a particular subject matter. Sometimes this is used to comedic effect, others it's just a plot hole.

Or it might mean something later on, if the Doctor traveled back into the past he might've put the marks on the wall himself. It might work out like Time Heist did last year.
 
Also, PC Principal is already organizing a mass protest and angrily shuffling the papers on the desk because the only black character in the episode was killed off in the opening scene. That was... an odd choice.

Brother always dies first. The trick is to cast two black actors if you want to have one present in your story.
 
I also though it was pretty painful that the Doctor conveniently can't read lips or understand sign language (despite being able to speak all languages including baby) in order to give the deaf character a vital importance to the story.

True, the Doctor should know sign-language. Hell, the TARDIS can't translate sign language? Even just captions sent to the sonic glasses should be sufficient.

He does. He even said, specifically, that he knew sign language
 
I really liked this episode--would've been great for Halloween. Witty banter, a real sense of threat, likable secondary characters and very creepy "monsters."

I just hope the payoff doesn't fall short. But if the second half is even close to the level of the first, I'll be happy.

PS...what was in the mural in the cafeteria? For a minute, it looked like Star Trek characters.
 
This show premieres on news from the Mirror that the BBC may scrap the planned 12-episode series for 2016 and replace with a small number of movies.

Doctor Who’s decline is very worrying and needs to be addressed. At this stage all options are being *considered. Everyone accepts that drastic action may be needed.

I have to wonder if this panic, which is said to be premature by another BBC source, is reflective of the larger anxiety over the BBC's future. Capaldi had this to say,

"The organisation that makes our [Doctor Who], the BBC – is one of the great, great organisations of the world, the most special, special organisation. I think it’s under threat. I think it’s seriously under threat from the government,” he detailed.

[Larry] King [of Metro] then asked Capaldi if the BBC’s funding was under threat, to which the Scot declared, “Yeah and for its very existence. I think the government doesn’t think the BBC supports it. I think because it is not answerable to shareholders and it entertains ideas – all kinds of ideas about Britain and about history and about the world and about art – I think the government, they don’t want to pay for it.”

He continued, “It’s one of the most important things that’s happening in the country and the BBC represents the spirit of our country. It’s so important that people don’t let this magnificent thing vanish. It is that dangerous.”

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2468263/do...show-is-in-crisis-period/#ZslDHOov7bSmMFze.99

I would like to believe this episode, and its conclusion next week, will signify a change in the fortunes of this franchise.
 
I also though it was pretty painful that the Doctor conveniently can't read lips or understand sign language (despite being able to speak all languages including baby) in order to give the deaf character a vital importance to the story.

True, the Doctor should know sign-language. Hell, the TARDIS can't translate sign language? Even just captions sent to the sonic glasses should be sufficient.

He does. He even said, specifically, that he knew sign language

But then he said he didn't.
 
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