9X01 "The Magician's Apprentice" Grading/Discussion)

[Guy Gardener]

She wanted to be killed so that the Doctor would rewrite time thus saving a temporal doppleganger?

Golly.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Maybe the other poster was right. It was just a ploy by Missy to be "killed" in order to escape.

I think Missy actually set up a win-win scenario: if the daleks refuse her offer and "kill" her, she escapes, and if the daleks were to accept her offer then she controls the most powerful force of conquest in the universe.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

What if Missy, this Missy IS the TARDIS?

Oh go shoot me it's crazy I know but hey.

 

[Starkers]

There's a difference between having a Tardis and having a Tardis plus someone who knows exactly how it works!

 

[PorthosShadow]

There's a difference between having a Tardis and having a Tardis plus someone who knows exactly how it works!

"Last time we fought the Daleks, they were scavengers and hybrids, and mad. But this is a fully-fledged Dalek Empire, at the height of its power. Experts at fighting Tardises, they can do anything. Right now, that wooden door is just wood"

10th Doctor - "Journeys End"

 

[Mr Awe]

There's a difference between having a Tardis and having a Tardis plus someone who knows exactly how it works!

But the Daleks have time travel. And they have the ability to travel through time and space with pinpoint accuracy. Witness the ability of the Daleks to procure the TARDIS and bring it through space and time to exactly the place they need it.

The Daleks don't need the TARDIS with an operator because they have their own time travel abilities.

Mr Awe

 

[Starkers]

There's a difference between having a Tardis and having a Tardis plus someone who knows exactly how it works!

But the Daleks have time travel. And they have the ability to travel through time and space with pinpoint accuracy. Witness the ability of the Daleks to procure the TARDIS and bring it through space and time to exactly the place they need it.

The Daleks don't need the TARDIS with an operator because they have their own time travel abilities.

Mr Awe

Well the Daleks have had time travel going all the way back to Hartnell's era, but I've never got the feeling it's quite on par with Timelord technology, and obviously there's more to the Tardis than just the time travel element.

 

[MacLeod]

^Perhaps the small or should that be large detail, that TARDIS are bigger on the inside. Perhaps Dalek's don't have that technology.

 

[PorthosShadow]

There's a difference between having a Tardis and having a Tardis plus someone who knows exactly how it works!

But the Daleks have time travel. And they have the ability to travel through time and space with pinpoint accuracy. Witness the ability of the Daleks to procure the TARDIS and bring it through space and time to exactly the place they need it.

The Daleks don't need the TARDIS with an operator because they have their own time travel abilities.

Mr Awe

Well the Daleks have had time travel going all the way back to Hartnell's era, but I've never got the feeling it's quite on par with Timelord technology, and obviously there's more to the Tardis than just the time travel element.

But the fact that they went toe to toe with The Time Lords doesn't support that argument.

 

[kirk55555]

^Perhaps the small or should that be large detail, that TARDIS are bigger on the inside. Perhaps Dalek's don't have that technology.

Well, according to the TARDIS wiki, the Dalek time machine in the 1st Doctor serial The Chase is dimensionally transcendental, aka bigger on the inside.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dalek_time_machine

It didn't change shape like a TARDIS, but was bigger on the inside, so unless they have lost that technology they don't need a TARDIS for that reason.

 

[Starkers]

But the Daleks have time travel. And they have the ability to travel through time and space with pinpoint accuracy. Witness the ability of the Daleks to procure the TARDIS and bring it through space and time to exactly the place they need it.

The Daleks don't need the TARDIS with an operator because they have their own time travel abilities.

Mr Awe

Well the Daleks have had time travel going all the way back to Hartnell's era, but I've never got the feeling it's quite on par with Timelord technology, and obviously there's more to the Tardis than just the time travel element.

But the fact that they went toe to toe with The Time Lords doesn't support that argument.

Lets not forget that the Sontarons went toe to toe with the Timelords as well!

 

[PorthosShadow]

Well the Daleks have had time travel going all the way back to Hartnell's era, but I've never got the feeling it's quite on par with Timelord technology, and obviously there's more to the Tardis than just the time travel element.

But the fact that they went toe to toe with The Time Lords doesn't support that argument.

Lets not forget that the Sontarons went toe to toe with the Timelords as well!

Yeah but didn't they only infiltrate Galifrey for about ten minutes before being stopped?

 

[Mr Awe]

There's a difference between having a Tardis and having a Tardis plus someone who knows exactly how it works!

But the Daleks have time travel. And they have the ability to travel through time and space with pinpoint accuracy. Witness the ability of the Daleks to procure the TARDIS and bring it through space and time to exactly the place they need it.

The Daleks don't need the TARDIS with an operator because they have their own time travel abilities.

Mr Awe

Well the Daleks have had time travel going all the way back to Hartnell's era, but I've never got the feeling it's quite on par with Timelord technology, and obviously there's more to the Tardis than just the time travel element.

Ian and Barbara returned home using Dalek time travel because it was more reliable than the Doctor's TARDIS at least.

In this episode, the Daleks were able to transport the TARDIS very precisely from where the Doctor left it to Davros' precise position in in time and space.

But, I do think it was just a ruse on Missy's part to get "killed".

Mr Awe

 

[MikeS]

When Clara said "We'll get sucked out!" as Missy opened the airlock on the 'space station'. I could not help but hear Data's reply "It's 'blown' out, sir, a common misconception". I was expecting Missy to correct Clara, it would have fitted her character's superiority complex, but they left it hanging. I wondered if that was an intentional nod by the creators to Trekdom. Or maybe it was just a writing error. Or maybe I've just watched Trek too many times.

 

[matthunter]

My feeling has always been that the Daleks weren't as advanced as the Time Lords but had the advantage of numbers and lack of internal division, whilst the Time Lords themselves were decadent, complacent and rife with intrigue. They also weren't really used to battle any more, except for the renegades. The whole thing was the barbarians versus Rome.

The Daleks had enough time tech to get to the battlefield, and sheer numbers and viciousness saw them win out. The Doctor saw the Daleks winning as not just a loss for his people but the entirety of creation... I always assumed that if the Daleks won and got their hands on the full power of the Time Lords, they'd use it in ways the TLs never dared.

 

[Redfern]

MikeS, I'm embarrassed to admit the same thing crossed my mind.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[matthunter]

So, I got kicked from GallifreyBase for having a sense of humour. No biggie, as the discussion here is good. But I do miss the ratings info. Overnights were not high, but I do think Who is at the forefront of the shift to catch-up TV. So anyone know where we stand as of today in terms of time-shift? And how is the ep doing on iPlayer?

Note: not interested in "ratings are falling! Show is doomed!" trolling. Go visit GB and chorus/beat up EwanGallagher if that kind of thing is your bag, baby.

 

[MacLeod]

But the Daleks have time travel. And they have the ability to travel through time and space with pinpoint accuracy. Witness the ability of the Daleks to procure the TARDIS and bring it through space and time to exactly the place they need it.

The Daleks don't need the TARDIS with an operator because they have their own time travel abilities.

Mr Awe

Well the Daleks have had time travel going all the way back to Hartnell's era, but I've never got the feeling it's quite on par with Timelord technology, and obviously there's more to the Tardis than just the time travel element.

Ian and Barbara returned home using Dalek time travel because it was more reliable than the Doctor's TARDIS at least.

The Doctor's TARDIS is quite reliable when she wants to be.

 

[PorthosShadow]

Well the Daleks have had time travel going all the way back to Hartnell's era, but I've never got the feeling it's quite on par with Timelord technology, and obviously there's more to the Tardis than just the time travel element.

Ian and Barbara returned home using Dalek time travel because it was more reliable than the Doctor's TARDIS at least.

The Doctor's TARDIS is quite reliable when she wants to be.

Yeah, Sexy has a mind of her own and by all appearances the time travel devices The Daleks employ don't have any kind of consciousness.

 

[Redfern]

...by all appearances the time travel devices The Daleks employ don't have any kind of consciousness.

If they developed self awareness, you just know the Daleks would exterminate it on the spot. Nope, can't have something, er "someone" smarter than they are!

Sincerely,

Bill