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The Spock/Uhura romance in STID was disappointing.

I don't mind the new Spock/Uhura dynamic. The romance, as it were, isn't particularly good or bad. My wife and both my daughters, however, love the way they are handling Spock and Uhura. That's probably a good thing as far as the powers that be think.
 
Me too. I watch the original series, and sometimes I see just little hints that Uhura and Spock could have had something going. There's not a lot there, but what is there kind of speaks to me, so when I saw STXI and STXII, I was elated to see that relationship actually happen.
 
Watching the movie back in 09, I remember reacting exactly the way Abrams and Co. wanted me to.

*Uhura chews out Spock for using their then-vaguely defined relationship as an excuse to transfer her*
Me: Oookay, that was a bit-
*Kissing in turbo lift happens*
Me: WHAT?!!

It was the good kind of bewilderment.
 
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I remember right before they kissed, and I was thinking "No way..." and then it happened! :D
 
I went watching the movie with some friends and some of us suspected it before the kiss scene, while others were like 'no way' so it was funny when Spock hugged and kissed her back. We were all trek fans previously but only one was like --> :eek: but I think after two movies he's recovered. :lol:
The hangar scene was the biggest hint for me as well. It's the way Spock reacted (also I swear but at one point when they were walking and she recited the list of her skills he was smirking) that made me think that something was going on and I was intrigued. That said, the turbolift scene still had an element of surprise for me because by that moment I was too focused on the fact that - gasp! - they destroyed vulcan :eek:

I think that the hangar scene wasn't the only deliberate hint we got before the kiss scene, though. E.g., the scene where Spock told her he needed to get to his parents (and save them) by himself..
The writers and JJ did their job keeping the relationship as a surprise but still planted some seeds for those who noticed them that should make people think that it didn't came out of nowhere, narrative vise. Probably, they played with the fact that they also knew certain fans wouldn't get the hints even if they were right in front of them because many took too for granted that the characters would be 100% the same (and even if they didn't, it still wasn't the most predictable thing). IF S/U were different characters and not from star trek, I think more people would suspect something before the kiss scene. But then, it worked precisely because it's these characters and thus people wouldn't expect it.
 
This particular romance? It was...there. It didn't stand out to me as anything especially wonderful or awful.

I do remember my first reaction was "Really? Do they HAVE to do this?" but I got used to it as the story went on.
 
It works for me as a character-building thing. On the one hand, Spock has real emotional needs that can't be met by anyone else; he's too Vulcan to be accepted by humans and too human to be accepted by Vulcans so he faces social isolation from all but his closest friends (and sometimes even from them). On the other hand, Uhura strives to understand him and his way of being, doesn't judge him for it, and finally comes to accept and even appreciate it. This is something Spock Prime never really had: always dignified, always in control, always healthy and well-adjusted in working with his peers, but always, in the end, alone.

I've pointed out many times that ST09 had to update Star Trek's characterizations to deal with generational differences from the 60s. The retread of Kirk was a nod to the Fail Generation: kids and young adults who grew up surrounded by crumbling institutions offering a promise of mediocrity if they work their asses off and prison time if they don't. Christopher Pike tells Kirk "You can settle for a less-than-ordinary life, but you feel like you were meant for something better, something special." That line wasn't just meant for Kirk.

Spock/Uhura deals with the more intimate aspects of that generation from a lot of different angles at once. Spock is a highly talented person with extremely poor emotional intelligence; that's a blind spot for him, but for Uhura it's not a deal breaker. At the same time, he's a product of a social tug-of-war between two competing ethnicities that don't always (or even usually) get along together.

The running theme of the reboot movies is the Pursuit of Acceptance. Kirk is looking to achieve his full potential and be accepted as a professional; Spock, who is already a well-respected professional whose qualifications were never in doubt, wants to be accepted as a person. And they both find what they're looking for on the bridge of the Enterprise.
 
Arguments like yours would make more sense if they weren't already in a relationship and you didn't have to reconcile with the fact that the first movie already established that he loves her and they have a relationship and thus their private interactions (as well as public ones. See the kiss in front of kirk) might challenge your own possible idea of how Spock (and the vulcans, e.g., Sarek. Whose love for Amanda was a canon fact before the reboot) would act under these, new for him, circumstances.

This is just a sample of a very long apologia in the above quote ^^^.

The bottom line is the relationship is wrong on two levels.

First, it's a hookup between a superior officer and a subordinate which is played out in public in a very distracting way to their ability to get sh*t done. Unprofessional and shouldn't even be allowed by Starfleet regulations.

Secondly, they have a patently unhealthy relationship. The chemistry just doesn't work. At best it's codependent. Uhura is patronizing to Spock in a Freudian way, like Spock is looking for a surrogate mother to kiss him on the cheek and warn her not to get a boo-boo before going out to "play" in the Volcano. It is cringe-inducing. Spock is infantilized and emasculated by her smothering. His immaturity is reinforced later by his Khan tantrum.

All this does is make both characters more annoying.
 
First, it's a hookup between a superior officer and a subordinate
First, it's not a "hookup." It actually appears to be a long-term relationship several years in the making that pre-dates her actually BEING a subordinate. Star Trek has been playing with shipboard romances since the 60s, so don't even TRY to pull the "fraternizing" card.

Secondly, they have a patently unhealthy relationship. The chemistry just doesn't work. At best it's codependent. Uhura is patronizing to Spock in a Freudian way, like Spock is looking for a surrogate mother to kiss him on the cheek and warn her not to get a boo-boo before going out to "play" in the Volcano.
She does the same thing when he beams to the Narada, for very much the same reason. Not because of "Freudian co-dependency" or whatever it is you're claiming, but as a display of affection for someone who is about to risk his life in an incredibly dangerous mission. That, ALSO, is something Star Trek has been doing since the 60s, just never in this specific form?

Moreover, comparing the pursuit of Khan to a "tantrum"?:vulcan:

Have you already forgotten what a tantrum looks like on a starship?

All this does is make both characters more annoying.

I can't help but feel that you're projecting a little bit.
 
Secondly, they have a patently unhealthy relationship. The chemistry just doesn't work. At best it's codependent. Uhura is patronizing to Spock in a Freudian way, like Spock is looking for a surrogate mother to kiss him on the cheek and warn her not to get a boo-boo before going out to "play" in the Volcano. It is cringe-inducing. Spock is infantilized and emasculated by her smothering.

Yes, that's called normal human concern for the well-being of a loved one when they're going into a dangerous situation.

More examples of "cringe-inducing, infantilizing, emasculating, patronizing, codependent, unhealthy Freudian" behavior.
 
Secondly, they have a patently unhealthy relationship. The chemistry just doesn't work. At best it's codependent. Uhura is patronizing to Spock in a Freudian way, like Spock is looking for a surrogate mother to kiss him on the cheek and warn her not to get a boo-boo before going out to "play" in the Volcano. It is cringe-inducing. Spock is infantilized and emasculated by her smothering.

Yes, that's called normal human concern for the well-being of a loved one when they're going into a dangerous situation.

More examples of "cringe-inducing, infantilizing, emasculating, patronizing, codependent, unhealthy Freudian" behavior.

But teh Vulcenz haz no emotionz!!!
 
First, it's a hookup between a superior officer and a subordinate
First, it's not a "hookup." It actually appears to be a long-term relationship several years in the making that pre-dates her actually BEING a subordinate. Star Trek has been playing with shipboard romances since the 60s, so don't even TRY to pull the "fraternizing" card.

And it has been established that Starfleet does not prohibit fraternization - as long as it's consensual for everyone involved, Starfleet freely permits romances between any crewmembers who want it, whether or not it's in the same chain of command. (Hell, Will Riker is married to his own counselor on the Titan...)
 
First, it's a hookup between a superior officer and a subordinate
First, it's not a "hookup." It actually appears to be a long-term relationship several years in the making that pre-dates her actually BEING a subordinate. Star Trek has been playing with shipboard romances since the 60s, so don't even TRY to pull the "fraternizing" card.

And it has been established that Starfleet does not prohibit fraternization - as long as it's consensual for everyone involved, Starfleet freely permits romances between any crewmembers who want it, whether or not it's in the same chain of command. (Hell, Will Riker is married to his own counselor on the Titan...)

You also have Worf and Dax, among others.
 
First, it's not a "hookup." It actually appears to be a long-term relationship several years in the making that pre-dates her actually BEING a subordinate. Star Trek has been playing with shipboard romances since the 60s, so don't even TRY to pull the "fraternizing" card.

And it has been established that Starfleet does not prohibit fraternization - as long as it's consensual for everyone involved, Starfleet freely permits romances between any crewmembers who want it, whether or not it's in the same chain of command. (Hell, Will Riker is married to his own counselor on the Titan...)

You also have Worf and Dax, among others.
Even if you write off anything post TOS, you have Decker and Ilia, or the couple from "Balance Of Terror".
 
Hands off the merchandise, lady.

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It works for me as a character-building thing. On the one hand, Spock has real emotional needs that can't be met by anyone else; he's too Vulcan to be accepted by humans and too human to be accepted by Vulcans so he faces social isolation from all but his closest friends (and sometimes even from them). On the other hand, Uhura strives to understand him and his way of being, doesn't judge him for it, and finally comes to accept and even appreciate it. This is something Spock Prime never really had: always dignified, always in control, always healthy and well-adjusted in working with his peers, but always, in the end, alone.

I've pointed out many times that ST09 had to update Star Trek's characterizations to deal with generational differences from the 60s. The retread of Kirk was a nod to the Fail Generation: kids and young adults who grew up surrounded by crumbling institutions offering a promise of mediocrity if they work their asses off and prison time if they don't. Christopher Pike tells Kirk "You can settle for a less-than-ordinary life, but you feel like you were meant for something better, something special." That line wasn't just meant for Kirk.

Spock/Uhura deals with the more intimate aspects of that generation from a lot of different angles at once. Spock is a highly talented person with extremely poor emotional intelligence; that's a blind spot for him, but for Uhura it's not a deal breaker. At the same time, he's a product of a social tug-of-war between two competing ethnicities that don't always (or even usually) get along together.

The running theme of the reboot movies is the Pursuit of Acceptance. Kirk is looking to achieve his full potential and be accepted as a professional; Spock, who is already a well-respected professional whose qualifications were never in doubt, wants to be accepted as a person. And they both find what they're looking for on the bridge of the Enterprise.

I love this. Well stated, Crazy Eddie.
 
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