Can we drop the "alternate timeline" nonsense?

[BeatleJWOL]

nah dude, the Ricardo MontalKHAN one should be a bright flaming YES

 

[drt]

No one ever disputed TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT as not being "Star Trek".

I've seen many posts on these forums saying they aren't "Star Trek."

I remember someone saying once that TOS wasn't "Star Trek" either...

I recall during the heydey of TNG there was an effort to paint it as a kitschy/campy artifact that was better left in the past. Heck, it even felt like that was Paramount's official position at times too...

 

[BillJ]

I recall during the heydey of TNG there was an effort to paint it as a kitschy/campy artifact that was better left in the past. Heck, it even felt like that was Paramount's official position at times too...

I imagine it was. They're going to go wherever the money is at.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Perhaps it was more a facetious comment on the correctness of the term 'fig leaf' and not really the movie.

Why is it that I want a single color and black iPhone-ish image of Richardo Montalban, probably from the Fantasy Island era, with a big NOPE on it? Maybe its my sense of humor.

See with both of those side by side you could have a double "Nope" for extra impact. Ricardo's being red might even give it a false 3D effect.

?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Cumbernope vs Montalyep?

 

[BillJ]

Cumbernope vs Montalyep?

The winner gets Ceti Alpha V!

 

[Campe]

THIS is City Alpha V!!!!

 

[M'Sharak]

I've seen many posts on these forums saying they aren't "Star Trek."

I remember someone saying once that TOS wasn't "Star Trek" either...

I recall during the heydey of TNG there was an effort to paint it as a kitschy/campy artifact that was better left in the past.

Never mind during the heyday of TNG, I've seen that very sentiment expressed quite a number of times just within the last year.

No one ever disputed TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT as not being "Star Trek". This is a first.

Well, I can't speak to the others due to not having been involved in online Trek communities while they were running, but I distinctly recall some folks being very loudly and regularly vocal about "Fake Trek" in the ENT forum while that show was still airing new episodes.

 

[OpenMaw]

Well, I can't speak to the others due to not having been involved in online Trek communities while they were running, but I distinctly recall some folks being very loudly and regularly vocal about "Fake Trek" in the ENT forum while that show was still airing new episodes.

Guilty as charged, i'm afraid. My associates and I at the time were pretty hostile to Enterprise by the time the second season was starting. Pretty bitterly so, as it felt as though they were trying to outright eliminate The Original Series from the timeline. We did in fact refer to it as "not real Star Trek" "If the show doesn't even want to have "Trek" in the name, why should we consider it as such?"

To be fair to our younger selves though, some of the interviews and comments from Braga and Berman didn't exactly help, either.

Things will likely even out with time. Any reboot in any form was going to be polarizing no matter what.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

No one ever disputed TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT as not being "Star Trek". This is a first.

Well, I can't speak to the others due to not having been involved in online Trek communities while they were running, but I distinctly recall some folks being very loudly and regularly vocal about "Fake Trek" in the ENT forum while that show was still airing new episodes.

I remember that too. There was an ongoing meme that "Enterprise" wasn't a true Star Trek production and was so far removed from the "real" franchise that they couldn't even bring themselves to put "Star Trek" in the title until the 3rd season.

 

[Franklin]

No one ever disputed TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT as not being "Star Trek". This is a first.

Well, I can't speak to the others due to not having been involved in online Trek communities while they were running, but I distinctly recall some folks being very loudly and regularly vocal about "Fake Trek" in the ENT forum while that show was still airing new episodes.

I remember that too. There was an ongoing meme that "Enterprise" wasn't a true Star Trek production and was so far removed from the "real" franchise that they couldn't even bring themselves to put "Star Trek" in the title until the 3rd season.

I defer to those who know the history better than I do. I mean I knew all received criticism, I was just unaware some received the "this is not 'Star Trek'" label in ways to rival what's happening now with the new movies. On the whole, aren't we Trek fans a jolly, carefree lot?

 

[Noname Given]

Seriously, how important is this make-believe that Star Trek stories represent some kind of "reality" and that deviations from the old versions of the show have to be accounted for within continuity?

A few years after the last Trek series was cancelled on television, Paramount and J.J. Abrams decided that the best way to revive it was to start over by recasting and recreating the original with Kirk and Spock. The writers concocted this "alternate timeline" thing.

But it's a fig leaf; that's all it ever was.

Fifty years ago, Star Trek was a particular thing produced in a particular way appropriate to that time and medium. A half century later it's a very different property. Trek's not an exception to any rule of the entertainment industry; everything has changed during that time. That's why nuTrek is different from TOS, and really no more justification or rationalization is needed than that one.

TL;DR: Remember that it's just a show; we really should relax.

The issue with that is the fact that it's integral to the plot of the first film. Nero and the original timeline Spock do make a jump into this alternate timeline and both precipitate major events of the story. You can't just drop that like it wasn't a major story point.

(And I LOVE the Abrams films myself, and was actually disappointed when they took this route and would have prefered just a tried and true 'reboot' - but that wasn't the story ST09 told.)

 

[Timewalker]

I find it a bit amusing (but not at all surprising) that the reboots are referred to as 'NuTrek'. Makes me think of all the debates in the Doctor Who Fandom concerning 'NuWho'.

There's Classic Who (1963 - 1996) and nuWho (2005 - present). When people persist in acting like Season 2 was when David Tennant was the Doctor instead of William Hartnell, it's necessary to differentiate between them.

 

[Kemaiku]

Why is it that I want a single color and black iPhone-ish image of Richardo Montalban, probably from the Fantasy Island era, with a big NOPE on it? Maybe its my sense of humor.

See with both of those side by side you could have a double "Nope" for extra impact. Ricardo's being red might even give it a false 3D effect.

?

(The screencaps of this guy are terrible, 250x is about the best and that is blurry).

 

[Nerys Myk]

I follow the wisdom of that great philosopher William Joel when it come to old, new, whatever.

"Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk. It's still rock and roll to me"

 

[Franklin]

I follow the wisdom of that great philosopher William Joel when it come to old, new, whatever.

"Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk. It's still rock and roll to me"

Except for the Alan Parsons Project.

Although they did speak of time, "flowing like a river." So maybe they would have some thoughts about alternate universes.

Me? I eat the "Star Trek" they feed me. If it stays down, it must've been "Star Trek". Ain't had an allergic reaction to any of it, yet.

 

[BillJ]

See with both of those side by side you could have a double "Nope" for extra impact. Ricardo's being red might even give it a false 3D effect.

?

(The screencaps of this guy are terrible, 250x is about the best and that is blurry).

That is awesome.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

^ I'm loling at those.

 

[JWPlatt]

If you're going to have a head shape like that, it should at least be one of these:

 

[CorporalCaptain]

^ Eh. I think that the Neutral People are most apropos for the NeutralMaybe. And in living B&W. Chemahkuu delivered.

(Maybe. )

By the way, there is a larger res image at theinfosphere.org/File:Neutral_President.jpg for the Neutral President.