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Killjoys Season 1: Discussion and Spoilers

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The third series in Syfy's new Friday night lineup, Killjoys premieres tonight. The series comes from the creator of Lost Girl and the producers of Orphan black, and it co-stars Warehouse 13's Aaron Ashmore.

I've been really looking forward to this one. It looks like a lot of fun, and the world building stuff they posted on their website seemed pretty interesting.


Official Description said:
Killjoys follows a fun-loving, hard living trio of interplanetary bounty hunters sworn to remain impartial as they chase deadly warrants throughout the Quad, a distant system on the brink of a bloody, multiplanetary class war.

Trailer


Welcome to the World of Killjoys from the Killjoys blog.

Sadly, I have to work during the premiere tonight, so I'ill have wait to watch this tomorrow morning.
 
I wasn't expecting much from the promos, but it's pretty interesting. It's no Cowboy Bebop, but it's got definite potential. (And I have to think that the similarity of sound between "Killjoy" and "Cowboy" as slang terms for space bounty hunters is not coincidental.)

Hannah John-Kamen is stunning and has a lovely voice, and I like her character better than I thought I would. The fact that she prefers to avoid killing, that she has a moral code, is a definite plus for me, even if it is atoning for a past as an assassin. Aaron Ashmore is his usual affably bland self. The guy playing his brother doesn't stand out for me yet.

The Quad System is gravitationally implausible, but a mere four settled worlds in one system are easier to swallow than Firefly's 'Verse with dozens of habitable or terraformable worlds in a single system. And the backstory is interesting, giving a sense of a well-thought-out world with history and complexity. Even if it is the second new Syfy series in as many weeks (after Dark Matter) to be set in an interplanetary community dominated by unscrupulous corporations.

I'm not as impressed by the production design. The interiors of the Killjoys' ship are quite bland, and none of the other settings were all that visually interesting. I wasn't crazy about the music either, particularly the use of pop songs. The danger of using popular songs in a futuristic series is that it'll make the show seem really dated when people revisit it in the future. Although I guess all sci-fi visions of the future seem dated in retrospect. Maybe I just don't like their selection of songs. I really hated the one over the climactic fight in the hallway.
 
The settings between the two shows are so nebulous at this point I wonder if we'll get a cross over episode at some point in the future?
 
Yeah, my wife asked me if this was the same show we watched the premiere of last week (Dark Matter). They do seem awfully similar.

We'll see how it goes.
 
Well, the settings seem similar. The characters are quite distinct.

I wonder if maybe Syfy could link them into a shared universe, given how much their settings have in common. Sure, they're from different producers, but Syfy forced Eureka, Warehouse 13, and even Alphas to cross over with each other even though they clearly didn't belong in the same universe. This is a case where a shared universe -- with or without direct crossovers -- seems like it could be more viable. Even if the characters never meet, even if they're living in different centuries, the shows could be established to share a common background.
 
Meh, I don't know about this one. It kind of comes off as a poor man's Firefly what with the western vibe, the setting of a colonized solar system where the rich elite live in nice garden estates while mere mortals live in overcrowded backwater cities. Hell, one of the characters even let out a rant in Chinese!

Okay, so the pilot was handicapped by revelations which are given away by the promotional material. For example, as soon as we see the warrant is for the third "Killjoy" we see in the promos and the opening credits, it's kind of obvious how this storyline is going to play out.

And finally, the show just looks really cheap. Yeah, I know, production values shouldn't matter much in the grand scheme of things, a good story will shine despite the production budget. But damn, with this show it's kind of hard to look past the low budget. Maybe that's more because the story just isn't all that interesting, maybe it's something else, but there we are.
 
I enjoyed it quite a bit. I did notice the similarities between it and Dark Matter, and also had the crossover idea. Apparently there is civilization outside of The Quad, since D'Avin apparently didn't know about it, so they could even just say Dark Matter is off in some other star system or something.
The characters seem like they have potential, and I thought they set up some interesting mysteries.
I thought the overall universe they set up here seems pretty interesting, and I look forward to leaning more about the Company, the Quad planets, and Killjoys.
Like I had expected, I did like it better than Dark Matter.
 
Meh, I don't know about this one. It kind of comes off as a poor man's Firefly what with the western vibe, the setting of a colonized solar system where the rich elite live in nice garden estates while mere mortals live in overcrowded backwater cities. Hell, one of the characters even let out a rant in Chinese!

But on the plus side, that character was actually Asian, if it's who I think it was. So far they're doing a fairly good job portraying a diverse humanity, at least compared to the usual for TV.

And the focus of the politics is different. Firefly was federalism vs. libertarianism, while this (along with Dark Matter) is megacorporations vs. the proletariat.



Okay, so the pilot was handicapped by revelations which are given away by the promotional material. For example, as soon as we see the warrant is for the third "Killjoy" we see in the promos and the opening credits, it's kind of obvious how this storyline is going to play out.

Nothing unusual about promos giving away surprises. What matters is whether the story works without the element of surprise. It's not like they kept D'Avin's identity secret for very long.


I enjoyed it quite a bit. I did notice the similarities between it and Dark Matter, and also had the crossover idea. Apparently there is civilization outside of The Quad, since D'Avin apparently didn't know about it, so they could even just say Dark Matter is off in some other star system or something.

Well, DM hops around among various systems, while this is limited to one. But the opening shots here implied that humanity's spread is intergalactic, so they could well be happening in distant parts of the human diaspora, or in different centuries, as I said.


Like I had expected, I did like it better than Dark Matter.

I'd expected to like it less, but so far it's showing somewhat more promise.
 
Intergalactic, literally? Or just interstellar?
It's a big pet peeve of mine when ads for a show, book or movie say "intergalactic adventures" when it actually takes place within only one galaxy. Solar systems are not galaxies.
 
They're both entertaining although Dark Matter's second ep was planetbound inside a Canadian powerplant and very boring. I think I prefer killjoys at the moment if only for the lead. If I were the showrunners I would definitely have them share the same setting. Not only would it allow for crossovers but it would save on set design and world building efforts.

As for firefly, the setting has been retconned for the upcoming cast voice acted mmo into five multistar systems in a close cluster, one single, three binaries and one trinary star system, with about three dozen worlds and close to one hundred moons in various stages of terraforming.
 
Intergalactic, literally? Or just interstellar?
It's a big pet peeve of mine when ads for a show, book or movie say "intergalactic adventures" when it actually takes place within only one galaxy. Solar systems are not galaxies.

That's a huge pet peeve of mine too. Trust me, I never, ever say "intergalactic" unless I mean "intergalactic." The visual portrayal of the "star cluster" or whatever that contained the Quad system made it look like a distinct galaxy, perhaps a dwarf elliptical or irregular galaxy.


They're both entertaining although Dark Matter's second ep was planetbound inside a Canadian powerplant and very boring.

I think I saw the same warehouse location in both Killjoys and Dark Matter on Friday. They're both Toronto-made, it seems, so we may see a lot of overlaps.


I think I prefer killjoys at the moment if only for the lead. If I were the showrunners I would definitely have them share the same setting. Not only would it allow for crossovers but it would save on set design and world building efforts.

I think the different sets of showrunners would prefer to establish their own distinct identities for their shows, at least to start out with. We don't know yet whether crossovers would be feasible; at this point it's more an idle conjecture than anything to take seriously. But the network has tried to link its shows before. I think it was a mistake on their part to force the fantasy-based Warehouse 13 into the same reality as the more sci-fi Eureka -- especially since they had contradictory rules of time travel -- and an even worse mistake to try to shoehorn the more grounded and dramatic Alphas in with those more comedic universes. But if Syfy did want to link its shows again, it might possibly work better with these two shows -- unless it turns out that there are some massive worldbuilding differences we haven't learned about yet.
 
I think I prefer killjoys at the moment if only for the lead. If I were the showrunners I would definitely have them share the same setting. Not only would it allow for crossovers but it would save on set design and world building efforts.
I think the different sets of showrunners would prefer to establish their own distinct identities for their shows, at least to start out with. We don't know yet whether crossovers would be feasible; at this point it's more an idle conjecture than anything to take seriously. But the network has tried to link its shows before. I think it was a mistake on their part to force the fantasy-based Warehouse 13 into the same reality as the more sci-fi Eureka -- especially since they had contradictory rules of time travel -- and an even worse mistake to try to shoehorn the more grounded and dramatic Alphas in with those more comedic universes. But if Syfy did want to link its shows again, it might possibly work better with these two shows -- unless it turns out that there are some massive worldbuilding differences we haven't learned about yet.
Even though I did have the crossover thought, I think I'd rather they not. Having genre shows that aren't specifically set in the same universe is a mistake. It often feels forced, especially when the whole style of the shows is totally different. I thought they managed to make it work with Eureka and W13, since they were similar in style, but IMO it was just stupid to try to shoehorn the much more grounded Alpha's into the same universe.
 
Short version: It was better than I expected based on the trailers. I'll keep watching for now.

Not a fan of Trevor Yuile's music (here or on Orphan Black), but not everything can be perfect.

But... why oh why the lens flares? :wah:
 
What was the Alphas connection in W13?

dJE

As I recall, Lindsey Wagner popped up in a ALPHAS episode, playing her recurring character from WH13 . . . although she was there in her capacity as a medical doctor and her secret connection to WH13 was not mentioned.

So, basically, a guest-star on WH13 guest-starred on ALPHAS as well, playing the same character.

It's not like Pete and Myka showed up on ALPHAS looking for a mystical artifact or anything like that.
 
Even though I did have the crossover thought, I think I'd rather they not. Having genre shows that aren't specifically set in the same universe is a mistake. It often feels forced, especially when the whole style of the shows is totally different.

True, but that's the thing -- at this point, they seem to have surprisingly similar styles. They're both in interstellar, human-only settings dominated by evil corporations. So their universes seem to be roughly compatible, more so than most SF universes. I mean, you couldn't fit, say, Farscape and Stargate SG-1 into the same reality, because they had different cosmologies, different alien populations, and different versions of when humanity made first contact with aliens. And you couldn't fit either of them together with Firefly, because that's a universe without FTL travel and without aliens. But so far, these two shows' universes exhibit a number of similarities and no clear inconsistencies. We'll probably see a different FTL effect in Killjoys at some point, but maybe they're in different centuries and one features a more advanced drive technology than the other.

Of course, we've already had Rob Stewart playing two different characters in the two shows, so they're not a perfect fit. But hey, Saul Rubinek played a different character on Eureka before he played Artie on Warehouse 13.


But... why oh why the lens flares? :wah:

They've been part of the cinematographers' toolbox for decades. I don't see any reason to expect filmmakers to stop using them. (I think I read or heard once that filmmakers originally tried to avoid lens flares or artifacts that would give away the presence of the camera, but around the '60s or '70s, the new generation of directors and DPs began embracing such artifacts as artistic devices in their own right, perhaps to give a sort of verite texture. Or maybe just because they knew that audiences were aware of the artificiality of film, so they decided to use it instead of trying to hide it.)


As I recall, Lindsey Wagner popped up in a ALPHAS episode, playing her recurring character from WH13 . . . although she was there in her capacity as a medical doctor and her secret connection to WH13 was not mentioned.

So, basically, a guest-star from WH13 guest-starred on ALPHAS as well, playing the same character.

Yes... fortunately, you could watch that episode of Alphas without realizing the character came from another show. Still, I just can't accept that the two shows are in the same universe. I choose to think Wagner was just playing a different reality's version of the equivalent character, like Sherlock's version of Sherlock Holmes versus Elementary's version, or Christian Bale's Batman versus Adam West's.
 
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