Im very curious about what producers thought when they were making this episode and i think they never watched TNG. If you ask why do you think like this i answer that in TNG Q is god and they can do what they want their power has no limitation. However in this episode our "skilled" crew from Voyager go to Q continuity and they fight with them. Come on is that possible guys they are Q. I mean how the hell humanity fight with them even if human use their weapons, is that so simple? So im saying that people who created this episode should have been more careful.
Q and Grey
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The Q were very very weak from some kind of ennui disease caused by living too long. You can tell this is the case by the fact that they think civil war recreations are good television.
I think the episode was just an excuse to pair up Kate Mulgrew and John de Lancie.
But it is reasonable excuse to screw up ?
Q was SO SMITTEN by Janeway, even more smitten than he had been with Picard that he would do anything to prolong his contact with her, even to the point of pretending it was all going to shit.
If Q had met Kirk the universe would have imploded from his desperation.
If Q had met Kirk the universe would have imploded from his desperation.
I have to give you some points here. As I wrote in my review at the Kes Website:
No, this episode does not work. The whole story with its Civil War scenario feels strained and the only thing that saves the episode is the interaction between Janeway and Q and most of all the female Q who is brilliant.
I gave it 2 points out of 5.
But I must also admit that every episode with Q has its good points. He's one of my favorite characters.
The civil war nonsense kills it for me. At least DS9 made up a fictional riot and set it in our current future, why couldn't we have that. Okay it would cost too much to set it on a mars colony but my god, does it always have to be some american narrative, surely there is a lot more available from the costume department than that?
If Q and his forces were the rebels, why were they the ones wearing Union gear? Shouldn't Q's bunch have been the confederates?
Oh My God! Someone else who picked up on this!
It always bugged me. Then again, in the grand scheme of things, it's a minor complaint. This episode always rubbed me the wrong (I don't think I've said more than twice).
I asked myself the same qusetion when I watched this episode.
Isn't Q fighting against something he sees as a form of Q slavery. It's a Q continuum civil war so using the American civil war makes sense. Q is fighting against the slavery of ennui as he sees it (so the union also makes sense)
It was a tedious episode for sure but Q episodes generally are if you ask me (except maybe death wish)
It was a tedious episode for sure but Q episodes generally are if you ask me (except maybe death wish)
I love certain Q scenes, and certain Q moments but I don't love Q episodes.
Ditto.
Q should've just told Janeway/Voyager that he wasn't interested in ever sending them home, as there is some "higher" purpose to their being in the DQ and just left it at that. Otherwise his hints that he might send them home if they do what he wants make no sense, whatsoever. Why have Q involved if not to send them home - that's stupid. For a long time, I actually thought Q's infatuation with Janeway was forced. But now, I kind of see what they were going for and it's funnny and charming in its own way. I mean ... there was this kind of "My Super Ex-Girlfriend" thing about having Q push himself on Janeway, because he wants to knock her up. Other than her refusals, she has no way of preventing Q from doing as his wishes.
And Delancie does seem bored with it all, especially when they first arrive in the Civil War Era and he's describing himself as a dashing war hero. Seriously, it's like he can't be arsed with any of it. And Whilst I love Suzi Plakston or whatever her name is, she was definitely miscast as the wife. Other than that, I don't hate this episode, or anything. It just would've been a lot more fun, actually, if Janeway were kind of half-tempted and resisting it, at the same time. And if they changed the setting from the American Civil War to something else, even a fictional setting. Like uhm ... Tarazan the Ape Man being hunted by the Brits who want to return him to England and having Kathryn as his Jane or something. That shit would've been funny ...
And Delancie does seem bored with it all, especially when they first arrive in the Civil War Era and he's describing himself as a dashing war hero. Seriously, it's like he can't be arsed with any of it. And Whilst I love Suzi Plakston or whatever her name is, she was definitely miscast as the wife. Other than that, I don't hate this episode, or anything. It just would've been a lot more fun, actually, if Janeway were kind of half-tempted and resisting it, at the same time. And if they changed the setting from the American Civil War to something else, even a fictional setting. Like uhm ... Tarazan the Ape Man being hunted by the Brits who want to return him to England and having Kathryn as his Jane or something. That shit would've been funny ...
At least they didn't raid the Paramount costume warehouse for Nazi uniforms again.
Though de Lancie would probably have looked pretty sharp as SS.
Kathryn as Jane 
that would have been great. They definitely could have had more fun with it than the tedium of forced pious civil war tropes.
I think Q was infatuated with Janeway the same as he was infatuated with Picard, just wants these people that have a bit more spark than most other humans to be infatuated back. There aren't a lot of games left to play as Q, trying to get free will to like you is one. His hints that he might send them home were all about giving them a reason to still talk to him willingly, not just because he wouldn't go away.
Vash, I totally get. She took him up on the offer to see the universe even though he was an annoying ass, good for her. This gets presented as some kind of moral failing on her part which is nonsense.
that would have been great. They definitely could have had more fun with it than the tedium of forced pious civil war tropes.I think Q was infatuated with Janeway the same as he was infatuated with Picard, just wants these people that have a bit more spark than most other humans to be infatuated back. There aren't a lot of games left to play as Q, trying to get free will to like you is one. His hints that he might send them home were all about giving them a reason to still talk to him willingly, not just because he wouldn't go away.
Vash, I totally get. She took him up on the offer to see the universe even though he was an annoying ass, good for her. This gets presented as some kind of moral failing on her part which is nonsense.
Yes he would have and at least the camp element would be strong.
I can't think of anything more boring. Even the other dumbass settings that sci fi people get dragged into are less dull. King Arthur? Sherlock Holmes?
Far Beyond the Stars wins as far as "old human earth revisited".
I hadn't really thought about Q actually wanting the people he taunted to be as fascinated with him as he was with them, before. In TNG, Q's hanging around usually seemed to have basis in something else, like The Continuum kicking him out and having nowhere to go, or the Enterprise crew meeting up with a girl who didn't know she was a Q, and things like that. But yes, now that you mention it, Q does seem to enjoy the challenge of getting people to freely accept him. And you can kind of see that, now that I look back on it, in the scene on Voyager, where he wants Janeway to talk to him and take a seat beside him and she kind of points at him, like "you better behave yourself." It's like she's aware even, that this is what he's up to. Picard seemed to loose patience too quickly to catch on ... as did Sisko, only moreso.
Q And Grey was just a bad episode. That whole idea to make it a Civil War thing and then make it possible for humans to invade it and fight the Q with Q weapons was just plain dumb.
I didn't mind Q developing a thing for Janeway, wouldn't be his first human crush.
I didn't mind Q developing a thing for Janeway, wouldn't be his first human crush.
