The Walking Dead Season 5

[Trekker4747]

Remember the timeline of behavior: Rick was stroking his gun handle when watching Pete before Carol expressed her concern, so like Shane, it was about his lust for a married woman. He believed Jessie should be his.

Depends on how you want to interpret that scene. He may also have seen something in Pete -when he was short with her pack at the party- and the way he acted, the way she acted, the encounter the night with Pete on the porch. As a police officer in rural Georgia I suspect Rick has had his fair-share of encounters with abusive husbands so even then he may have "seen" or maybe felt something was wrong in Jessie's marriage and with Pete.

 

[Skywalker]

He reached for the gun after the party kiss, so he ramped up from kissing a married woman to considering killing her husband the following day. Again, this is before he knew anything about the abuse, so his actions were all lust-motivated.

Yup. The abuse angle just gave the writers a convenient excuse to have Rick get the girl without coming off completely scuzzy like Shane.

Wasn't there already that scene with him sitting on the porch that earned him the nickname "Porch Dick" because it was completely obvious to anyone watching that this guy was going to be trouble?

Rick's a cop. He recognizes trouble when he sees it. He's probably dealt with hundreds of wife-beating assholes. If it was plainly obvious to the audience that this guy is up to no good, why wouldn't it be enough to stir Rick's spidey-sense and make him doublecheck that the gun was there and secure?

Of course. But the look I remember Rick giving at that moment seemed far more predatory and desirous, at least IMO, than worried or protective. At that point the only indication of Pete's potential for trouble was that scene on the porch. I'm sure his training and experience as a police officer was playing a part in it, but it seemed very clear to me that at least part of him also just wanted Jessie for himself. The revelation that Pete was abusing her and their children just made things easier for him.

ETA: My bad, I just remembered that scene came after the party, when Pete was very short with Jessie and seemed a little agitated with her. But I do still think lust was a part of Rick's motivation, even if it was a minor part.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

‘The Walking Dead’ Ratings Hit Season Finale High With 15.8M Viewers

 

[Corran Horn]

Loved Abraham's line about the ASZ peeps not knowing what the world is really like now.

If they're setting up even a few episodes of Rick vs. Morgan in S6 I'm really gonna be disappointed.

 

[hux]

So the finale was exactly as the spoiler called it. More playing it safe and setting up the new Wolves baddies for season six. I look forward to watching season three all over again

And the guy who was standing between Rick and regular sex turns out to be someone they can kill without too much fuss (did. Not. See. That. Coming)

Thank God for Carol (and bring the dish back clean!)

Bring your Kleenex indeed (yeah cos that guy who died was integral to my enjoyment)

*sigh*

 

[Evil Twin]

Meh, clunky finale with too many contrivances.

So where's the obligatory gif and/or youtube video of Morgan's staff replaced with a double-bladed lightsaber? MAKE IT HAPPEN, INTERNET!

 

[davejames]

As long as an episode or finale is as gripping and suspenseful as this one was, I'm not too bothered over whether something "huge" happened or not. And between Glenn nearly dying (a couple times), the great showdown between Morgan and the Wolves, and Rick and the gang debating whether to take over ASZ, it still seemed like a pretty eventful finale to me.

I'm not in a particular rush to see ASZ attacked or anything. The show's clearly going to be around for quite awhile, so they might as well take their time and build things up naturally.

 

[Trekker4747]

So the finale was exactly as the spoiler called it. More playing it safe and setting up the new Wolves baddies for season six. I look forward to watching season three all over again

And the guy who was standing between Rick and regular sex turns out to be someone they can kill without too much fuss (did. Not. See. That. Coming)

Thank God for Carol (and bring the dish back clean!)

Bring your Kleenex indeed (yeah cos that guy who died was integral to my enjoyment)

*sigh*

Yeah, you're making this fun.

 

[Velocity]

Deanna sure changed her tune quick enough when Pete made it personal for her. Kill people? That's not what we do here....Unless it's revenge for my husband.
Carol might as well give up with the casseroles. No one appreciates them.

 

[Thestral]

Carol is a problem. Maybe now she'll back off the unnecessary conspiring and plotting though since "her side" won. Keeping things from Michonne and Maggie and Glenn... what bullshit. Rick at least got some sense knocked into him and finally came around. And yes, there was a definite conflict of interest there over Jessie in him going after Pete - should have brought Michonne in on things instead of thinking with his dick first. Though, it did end up working out for the best I suppose... except for Deanna's husband.

Meanwhile, Michonne and Glenn and Maggie and Morgan and Aaron and Daryl were awesome as always. I was afraid Glenn was a goner, because I think we're now at the point where I don't know what happens next in the comics. Just a really really excellent, intense episode. Not a lot of action, but that was quite alright.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Carol is a problem. Maybe now she'll back off the unnecessary conspiring and plotting though since "her side" won. Keeping things from Michonne and Maggie and Glenn... what bullshit.

Rick was in on that from the beginning, and was the one who created the idea of taking over. his intentions were dark early on.

And yes, there was a definite conflict of interest there over Jessie in him going after Pete - should have brought Michonne in on things instead of thinking with his dick first. Though, it did end up working out for the best I suppose... except for Deanna's husband.

...and her husband would still be alive, if Rick did not let his rod / male, possessive ego drive him toward an unnecessary confrontation which set Pete in motion.

Yup. The abuse angle just gave the writers a convenient excuse to have Rick get the girl without coming off completely scuzzy like Shane.

I think the only difference between Rick and Shane is the outcome, but the motives are mirrored.

Remember the timeline of behavior: Rick was stroking his gun handle when watching Pete before Carol expressed her concern, so like Shane, it was about his lust for a married woman. He believed Jessie should be his.

Depends on how you want to interpret that scene. He may also have seen something in Pete -when he was short with her pack at the party- and the way he acted, the way she acted, the encounter the night with Pete on the porch. As a police officer in rural Georgia I suspect Rick has had his fair-share of encounters with abusive husbands so even then he may have "seen" or maybe felt something was wrong in Jessie's marriage and with Pete.

Rick was a cop, but he's not The Amazing Mento-Grimes, either. Before Carol's revelation, his hostility toward Pete was strictly related to his interest in his wife. Even if he witnessed Pete snapping at her during the party, that was not grounds to suspect physical abuse.

If they're setting up even a few episodes of Rick vs. Morgan in S6 I'm really gonna be disappointed.

I hope not. TWD loves conflict within ranks, but someone has to be sensible and do something that leaves everyone else wondering if they have gone too far. They should be beyond that by season 6.

Aww, goody gumdrops for him. Now can he figure out some way of not being a complete douche by accidentally trying to kill his protectors every time he takes a walk?

There's bad decisions all around--some leaving Gabriel's open gate in the dust: Tara actually bought the rantings of someone she hardly knew--enough to join a death squad with hostages.

Lori has unprotected sex in a world with no doctors, hospitals and a needed C-section to deliver Carl (later knowing that another pregnancy would require the same). At the time she was rolling around with Shane, the group had no immediate plans of going to Fort Benning, so what was she going to do trying to have a child up on a hill--in that world?

Then, there's Andrea during season 3. 'nuff said.

At least Maggie and Sasha were getting exactly what they needed. Considering their loss, they needed something bigger than the bleak, "this is the way the world is" growling certain characters offer, so Gabriel--for now--is the man.

 

[Trekker4747]

Lori has unprotected sex in a world with no doctors, hospitals and a needed C-section to deliver Carl (later knowing that another pregnancy would require the same). At the time she was rolling around with Shane, the group had no immediate plans of going to Fort Benning, so what was she going to do trying to have a child up on a hill--in that world?

Yes, because no one ever has sex without first considering the long-term consequences and whether or not they're at a point in their menstrual cycle optimal for pregnancy. Yep, two adults in the throws of passion, love, and drive for sexual pleasure will stop and consider all of their options and their situation and whether or not any resulting pregnancy is something they can handle and have properly treated.

 

[Thestral]

^ I know right?

Carol is a problem. Maybe now she'll back off the unnecessary conspiring and plotting though since "her side" won. Keeping things from Michonne and Maggie and Glenn... what bullshit.

Rick was in on that from the beginning, and was the one who created the idea of taking over. his intentions were dark early on.

Because as we all saw Rick was the one who insisted they keep lying to people and suggested that Maggie, Glen, and especially Michonne couldn't be trusted. Of course his intentions were dark from the beginning, but who was it that offered to turn over the gun to Michonne?

And yes, there was a definite conflict of interest there over Jessie in him going after Pete - should have brought Michonne in on things instead of thinking with his dick first. Though, it did end up working out for the best I suppose... except for Deanna's husband.

...and her husband would still be alive, if Rick did not let his rod / male, possessive ego drive him toward an unnecessary confrontation which set Pete in motion.

Yeah, okay, we're going to blame Rick for cutting the dude's throat, and not the insane jealous ragemonster with the knife who'd been beating his wife and kid and showed no remorse for dude dying in front of him. Because that makes sense.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I thought that was quite an eventful finale, and I'm glad no one died-- well, none of our people. Ninja Morgan was great, but his reunion with Rick was sure ill timed, considering his "all life is precious" message. That doesn't bode well.

I loved the awkward mutual apologies of Eugene and Abraham. Rosita cracked me up.

 

[hux]

Yeah, you're making this fun.

Do I have a responsibility to make it fun?

Some of the writing in this show is pedestrian at best, awful at worst. I like the characters, the premise, the background but the plotting, pacing and dialogue is often extremely poor. This for me is why the show attracts so much speculation. Viewers will inevitably create scenarios and plots that meet their expectations/needs because the show simply does not. The show has a horrible tendency to build tension, build tension, build tension.......then deliver nothing!

The finale was yet another example of dangling interesting ideas in front of you but then snatching them away at the last minute and returning to the comfort zone

Glenn being killed by Nicholas or the pile of zombies (build tension) Glenn escapes from him and all those zombies without explanation (nothing) Sasha and Gabriel having breakdowns and Sasha threatening to kill him (build tension) but then we all have a nice little prayer (nothing). Daryl is an idiot who doesn't check trucks for zombies (build tension) then trapped in a car (build more tension) then escape (nothing). Deanna questioning Rick's temperament and if he should be made to leave (build tension) then her husband is killed just in time for Rick to save the day and get a new girl friend in the process (nothing)

The less said about the jump cut, the better. Rick is running around in daylight after seeing the gate is open but then suddenly plunged into darkness immediately after this (feel that tension)

Then just when you need tension (to sell your new season six bad guys to the audience) they go in the complete opposite direction and create a truly tedious enemy. Morgan dispatches the Wolves guys with the greatest of ease (cos that's bound to make the audience see them as a terrifying and intriguing enemy for season six.....children whose asses can be whooped with staggering ease by a man who apparently developed ninja skills during his offscreen adventures)

Judith would make a scarier enemy than these kids. Nothing about them is interesting or threatening in the slightest. They reminded me of the Terminus guys. You've just had your ass handed to you in spectacular fashion by people that are extremely dangerous so what do you do? Yup, you track them down so that you can get seriously killed by them. Idiots!

The Wolves have met just "one" guy from the ASZ (that's where he's from as far they're concerned) and he kicked the living shit out of them with total ease. So what will they do? Well if the rinse and repeat plotting of this show has taught us anything, it's taught us that they will follow that serious badass to his secure location (where there are presumably even more badasses) and get monumentally killed by them because they clearly enjoyed the enormous ass kicking Morgan inflicted upon them earlier (why wouldn't you try and track that guy down......it's not as if he's proven to be any kind of threat to you)

So the big bad Wolves of season six are now established as tedious, non threatening boys who carry unloaded guns around with them (if that doesn't keep the viewers glued to the show, I don't know what will)

I love the show and there is a lot to like in it but it also frustrates me enormously. I'm amazed others don't feel the same way

 

[Mojochi]

...and her husband would still be alive, if Rick did not let his rod / male, possessive ego drive him toward an unnecessary confrontation which set Pete in motion.

That's just irresponsible. Whether you realize it or not, you've just made an argument to support acquiescence to spousal abuse. "Don't poke the bear, or people could get hurt" You don't put a badge on someone and then tell them "But don't ruffle any feathers", when you're clearly harboring an abusive victimizer in your fold.

Intervention was necessary. No one in ASZ was willing to do so, so that means it would fall to Rick's group to do it, lest they allow an unacceptable situation to fester, and possibly worsen, and his group would NOT do that. Rick, being the leader, was always going to be a part of the intervention, and regardless, porchdick was never going to listen to anyone of his group, the majority of whom had other problems pending, except Carol, who wouldn't help because she wanted to maintain her facade & Michonne, who Rick questioned her loyalty (Wrongfully imho)

Rick was right to intercede, and though it may have gotten more personal than a cop should get, ultimately Jesse asked for his help, and later she told him he did the right thing.

It's easy sport to come down on Rick for everything, man. He's the LEAD. He's in charge, and he's had the most to lose this whole time. You could say that if he'd just died in a coma then none of this badness would ever have happened, but it's BS to say that circumstantial badness falls on his shoulders. He's the leader of a post-apocalyptic horde, steeped in chaos, not a commander being judged by a military tribunal

I do agree with Kestral about Carol though. I don't come down on her too much either, but it's time now to cut out the literal cloak & dagger shit. At some point, if you're unwilling to put all your cards on the table, then you are not a reliable group member

Shit, when Daryl wouldn't take the gun from her, she even gave HIM a momentary glance of derision, like she couldn't completely put her faith in him. WTF? Daryl is the 1st one I'd put my faith in (Like Aaron apparently) You have to trust somebody sometime, lady. It may come off as cool badassery, but it's also self destructive

 

[Admiral2]

Aww, goody gumdrops for him. Now can he figure out some way of not being a complete douche by accidentally trying to kill his protectors every time he takes a walk?

There's bad decisions all around--some leaving Gabriel's open gate in the dust: Tara actually bought the rantings of someone she hardly knew--enough to join a death squad with hostages.

But Tara redeemed herself quickly, and didn't spend a month trying to get the others killed every week like Dr. Smith on Lost In Space.

Lori has unprotected sex in a world with no doctors, hospitals and a needed C-section to deliver Carl (later knowing that another pregnancy would require the same). At the time she was rolling around with Shane, the group had no immediate plans of going to Fort Benning, so what was she going to do trying to have a child up on a hill--in that world?

And Lori's dead. Lesson learned.

Then, there's Andrea during season 3. 'nuff said.

And Andrea's dead.

So you agree with me that Gabriel should be dead now? Thanks for making my case.

 

[Trekker4747]

It's part of that on why I'm not too much on the "Carol Train" and I don't get why so many are. I like Melissa McBride and one of my more favorite episodes of the series is a Carol one -The Grove- because of the hardship and emotion it. But this season they suddenly turned her into Jack Bauer. I didn't buy or believe for a moment anything she did in the premiere this season. It was just absurd and I don't believe she's bought that level of acceptance to her mad skilz. Rick, Michonne, Daryl, or even Glenn *aiming a bottle rocket* into a propane tank and doing the stealthy walk through Terminus? I'd allow it. But Carol hasn't bought that much hand-waving.

And her Suzie Homemaker routine wasn't working for me. I get doing a deception for the Alexandrians but I think it reached a point where they weren't a threat and it was time to dial back the espionage. And Carol's distrust of the other group members over the stash-guns was just dumb, especially not trusting of all people Michonne and even to a degree people like Abraham and Glenn. Abraham guarded a mulleted man with his life on nothing more than some vague claims. I think he would have followed a "guarded defense" with Rick and Carol. I get now that her behavior towards Sam was more of a shield considering what happened with Sophia and then Lizzie and Micha but even then some of her behavior seemed out of line.

I just don't get the Carol love.

 

[Thestral]

Carol at Terminus was well done IMO, and definitely one of her high moments. I pretty much agree with everything Mojochi wrote there.

 

[Saul]

The last episode was not bad. It was really building up to something big and then seems to chicken out. Rick is again justified in his actions and again makes another little speech about survival and stuff. I really like this show but it sure those go over the same themes.