The Walking Dead Season 5

[hux]

Because some of us don't read the Comics, and revealing what happens in the comics, who's killed and by who, could very possibly come to pass on the show.

So could any of the nonsensical gibberish speculation we see on this thread. So?

Somebody was talking last week about how Jessie would turn out to be the abuser and not Pete. Turned out not to be the case but it was a fun conversation all the same. Should they have put that theory in spoilers in case it came to pass? Plus the fact that the show is clearly a different animal to the comic and goes its own way. Deanna being a woman or Sophia being alive for example (am I giving away spoilers by saying any of that?)

As far as I can see, all I've done is mention a name that isn't the name of a character currently in the show. Hardly spoils anything though. And are you honestly telling me that you were ignorant of that character until you read my post? I haven't read any of the comics either but I do have access to the internet and existence in general so I am aware of certain things from the comics as I suspect most people are

Now, if you really wanna talk about spoilers. I live in the UK and we don't get the show until Monday night (24 hours later) but instead of shouting about giving away spoilers on here on Sunday night, I simply avoid this thread until I've seen the episode.

And if I did wrap it up in a spoiler. Wouldn't you just look anyway

Has anyone in the history of the internet ever seen a spoiler tag and thought......I won't press that

And also, if she does know about outside threats, then she is a terrible leader because all of her people seem woefully unprepared.

But again, doesn't the fact that she so quickly invited these total strangers into the ASZ to essentially be security, scavengers, builders etc show that she does know what's out there. She wants experienced survivors to come and protect them from what's out there but she also wants to continue the illusion of civilisation within the walls. Instead of preparing her own people, she wants them to continue living the good life and let Rick's group do all the dirty work (unless that dirty work comes into conflict with how the SZ is run)

I think she wants her cake and eat it too. Aware of what's out there and what needs to be done but simultaneously unwilling to let her own people face it. Let Rick and co do it. She can't have it both ways though and I think that she's probably making a mistake by thinking she can

That's something that's crossed my mind and I've discussed it with my buddies and we've all decided the writers aren't anywhere near clever enough to do something that awesome.

I tend to agree. Nearly every piece of speculation I've heard about the show has been more intelligent and more intriguing than what we've actually ended up getting

 

[Neroon]

As far as I can see, all I've done is mention a name that isn't the name of a character currently in the show. Hardly spoils anything though. And are you honestly telling me that you were ignorant of that character until you read my post? I haven't read any of the comics either but I do have access to the internet and existence in general so I am aware of certain things from the comics as I suspect most people are

Now, if you really wanna talk about spoilers. I live in the UK and we don't get the show until Monday night (24 hours later) but instead of shouting about giving away spoilers on here on Sunday night, I simply avoid this thread until I've seen the episode.

And if I did wrap it up in a spoiler. Wouldn't you just look anyway

Has anyone in the history of the internet ever seen a spoiler tag and thought......I won't press that

That does not matter when it comes to how we handle spoiler material on this board. The protocol is to use spoiler tags or adequate space ahead of the material. There is a thread pinned to the top of this forum explaining how everyone is to handle them. Please review it and follow the guidelines from here on out.

 

[Scout101]

Also

Spoiler: spoiler-ific

you guessed at rick being negan, sure, random guess. You also guessed he'd be the one to kill glenn. That's where it goes into obvious spoiler, no? you're speculating on a change, but you're still plainly posting what the outcome would be, and equally obviously pulling that outcome from the comics, so how can you argue it's not a spoiler? Negan kills glenn, right? Same deal with people telling us how every time glenn touches or sees a bat, it's potential foreshadowing. Thanks...

I haven't read the comics, and while I'm not a spoiler Nazi, you guys have NOT been very careful with dropping hints and guesses, or blatantly spoiling things here. Don't have to walk on eggshells, but don't just dump the events from the comics in ahead of the show, m'kay?

 

[hux]

Also

Spoiler: spoiler-ific

you guessed at rick being negan, sure, random guess. You also guessed he'd be the one to kill glenn. That's where it goes into obvious spoiler, no? you're speculating on a change, but you're still plainly posting what the outcome would be, and equally obviously pulling that outcome from the comics, so how can you argue it's not a spoiler? Negan kills glenn, right? Same deal with people telling us how every time glenn touches or sees a bat, it's potential foreshadowing. Thanks...

The outcome is irrelevant to me. The comics are just a framework that are followed as often as they are disregarded which is why I don't consider comic talk to be spoiler talk. I haven't read the comics but I'm familiar with a lot of it because, internet.

Hasn't really spoiled anything for me even when it's been accurate.

Spoiler: spoiler

If Negan killing Glenn is turned into Rick killing Sasha, is it still a spoiler to talk about Negan killing Glenn?

If Glenn dies in another way, was it spoiled by talk of Negan and baseball bats? If we speculate about things not in the comic but which turn out to be accurate predictions, is that?

I knew Bruce Willis was a ghost before I ever saw "Sixth sense" but being a none weird, mentally balanced individual with access to vaginas and friends, I didn't let it worry me too much. My life continued

By the way.....Darth Vader is Luke's father

For me, a spoiler is simply talking about a show before others have been able to see it

 

[Sindatur]

Hux, speculation based upon watching only is entirely different than speculation based upon Comic Knowledge, and spitting out actual comic information (especially when there is still a possibility of that specific info being used in the show).

As far as airing on a different night, again, that is different, I don't watch until Monday or Tuesday On Demand, and I stay out of the thread until I've seen it. If it aired already, and I spoil myself before watching it, that's my fault, if someone spoils something that hasn't aired yet, that's different.

And, yes, for The Walking Dead, I never click the Spoiler boxes, because I do not want to know Comic Spoilers, because much of the Comic is used in the show, sure some stuff is different, some stuff is assigned to different people, and some stuff plays out the same.

 

[hux]

Hux, speculation based upon watching only is entirely different than speculation based upon Comic Knowledge, and spitting out actual comic information (especially when there is still a possibility of that specific info being used in the show).

As far as airing on a different night, again, that is different, I don't watch until Monday or Tuesday On Demand, and I stay out of the thread until I've seen it. If it aired already, and I spoil myself before watching it, that's my fault, if someone spoils something that hasn't aired yet, that's different.

I actually like finding out what's been going on in the comics. It makes it interesting to see how they'll do it, change it, not use it etc

But anyway, I shall endeavour to use spoiler tags where necessary

I never click the Spoiler boxes.

If I was in the White House situation room and i saw a red button that said "do not press"......I'd press it......then grin

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

^ to be fair, does it? Feels like we haven't lost anyone major in the gang for a while (and I'l say the gang, so the Governer doesn't count)
This seasons losses so far; Bob, Beth, Tyreese & Noah have all been fairly minor characters in the scheme of things. Season 4 there was only really Hersel... I'd only say he was a medium in terms of low-high in order of importance.
The Season 3 finale had Andrea, who although was a big charatcer, by then had been out of "the gang" for a full season so personally I didn't really feel her loss too much.

So really I'd say Lori was the last major player to bite the bullet, back in early Season 3.

Maybe that means we're in need of another soon

That probably means the other deaths were cheap shockers just for the hell of it. Gimple claimed season five's deaths would have some greater meaning for the characters. So far, all come off as shock stunts that are referred to in passing. Tyreese's death journey with the spirits of those who passed on was effective from a purely emotional standpoint, but where is the greater meaning for the series?

I guess Sasha acting like someone pissed in her corn flakes counts as someone feeling the effect of death beyond the moment...but nothing with that greater meaning.

Unless we see Daryl do more than cry for one minute and burn his hand with a cigarette, the entire bonding with / search for / death of Beth will fail to deliver much of anything. Not for Daryl, and certainly not Maggie or anyone else.

Dark and troubled is fine. Breakdowns?.....we've already seen that. Move on or risk being repetitive

Dark and troubled is tired, and as you say--repetitive. Rick walks around like a paranoid, hostile killer most days, and where is that taking the series? He's far from the only one to suffer, but he's been hammered into one long, neverending extreme.

Carol was granted room to question herself in the wake of the girls' deaths, wanting to isolate herself, and have Daryl convince her that she can overcome her demons. Where that will go is up in the air, but at least the character has not been locked into one personality.

There's another forum I use and there's some serious discussion about Morgan being the focus of the next episode. Mostly based on these pictures from the last episode. Same jacket, same sun glasses, wedding ring etc

http://i.imgur.com/yS7cYnR.jpg

The idea being that the finale is a flashback episode that focuses on Morgan trying to reach Rick but coming across the Wolves first and being killed setting up the Wolves for season six

Thoughts?

Possible?

Sure, and that would be pretty sad, only if this Morgan business actually has a meaning! The last thing I would want to see is a violent version of Andrea's kidnapping. If you recall, Andrea was grabbed by the Governor a second before she could call out to Rick, and the rest is history. In Morgan's case, I would eyeroll x1000 if the timelines merge, with Morgan stopping most of the Wolves before nearly killing Rick's group, he is seconds from calling out to Rick, only to be captured and dismembered.

Morgan--if he is fated to die--has to have meaning, and not be yet another season 5 shock death.

 

[hux]

Dark and troubled is tired, and as you say--repetitive. Rick walks around like a paranoid, hostile killer most days, and where is that taking the series? He's far from the only one to suffer, but he's been hammered into one long, neverending extreme.

Spoiler: Rick

which is why I can understand the Rick as Negan theory that's going around. They're deliberately turning Rick into a psycho for what reason? Well it would make sense if he's gonna get turned into the baddie for season six (he'll return to normal by season seven and then they'll hit the road again)

Sure, and that would be pretty sad, only if this Morgan business actually has a meaning! The last thing I would want to see is a violent version of Andrea's kidnapping. If you recall, Andrea was grabbed by the Governor a second before she could call out to Rick, and the rest is history. In Morgan's case, I would eyeroll x1000 if the timelines merge, with Morgan stopping most of the Wolves before nearly killing Rick's group, he is seconds from calling out to Rick, only to be captured and dismembered.

Those pictures are very specific and do lead to questions but I think the writers/crew are probably just screwing with the fans (we'll see)

 

[Ryan8bit]

Somebody was talking last week about how Jessie would turn out to be the abuser and not Pete. Turned out not to be the case but it was a fun conversation all the same. Should they have put that theory in spoilers in case it came to pass?

Yeah, that was a cool conversation, but it really had no likelihood of coming to pass. And not just because the writers were unlikely to reverse the trope, but because the same thing happened in the comics. If someone had come along and said, "No, Jessie is the one being abused in the comics," then that would probably warrant a spoiler mention. As would the fact that Rick and Pete get into a fight at Pete's house, end up going through the window, Rick starts pointing his gun at people, and Michonne knocks him out. All of that stuff happened in the comic so it was very likely that it would turn up in the show.

Also, I see generalizations about comic book readers spoiling things, but I've read them all and to my knowledge have not spoiled anything.

Dark and troubled is tired, and as you say--repetitive. Rick walks around like a paranoid, hostile killer most days, and where is that taking the series? He's far from the only one to suffer, but he's been hammered into one long, neverending extreme.

Spoiler: Rick

which is why I can understand the Rick as Negan theory that's going around. They're deliberately turning Rick into a psycho for what reason? Well it would make sense if he's gonna get turned into the baddie for season six (he'll return to normal by season seven and then they'll hit the road again)

Spoiler: Potential lite comic spoilers

Honestly, I don't think they'll turn Rick into the straight-up bad guy. Yeah, they have exaggerated some of his badness from the comics, but generally he's the same kind of person. I'm pretty sure that as long as Gimple is in charge, they'll more or less follow the comic book events.

 

[Scout101]

don't see them going with character assassination to that degree. More likely to kill him outright...

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Spoiler: Potential lite comic spoilers

Honestly, I don't think they'll turn Rick into the straight-up bad guy. Yeah, they have exaggerated some of his badness from the comics, but generally he's the same kind of person. I'm pretty sure that as long as Gimple is in charge, they'll more or less follow the comic book events.

If a character is pushed--hard--toward a side that is not justifiable no matter the plot, it locks him in to the point where there cannot be some easy resolution, or path to redemption. If--for example--the spoiler theory posted by hux actually played out, there's no believable way the producers could drag this character out of being a total pariah.

 

[Tom]

Rick, give yourself to the darkside, it is the only way...

 

[DarthTom]

If a character is pushed--hard--toward a side that is not justifiable no matter the plot, it locks him in to the point where there cannot be some easy resolution, or path to redemption. If--for example--the spoiler theory posted by hux actually played out, there's no believable way the producers could drag this character out of being a total pariah.

I wouldn't say that. They've pretty much redeemed Carole even though she murdered two people out of paranoia. And she murdered a psychopathic young girl.

Yet her actions at Terminus in many people's eyes have IMO redeemed her.

 

[Saul]

It kinda seems out of character for Rick. Ok, maybe he has gone bonkers and outside the safety zone killing would seem justifiable to him but telling other people that Pete should be killed screams "lock me up or throw me out now" kind of thing yet it seems to be too casual a discussion for him to have. Bonkers or not. The characters all seem a bit off or to put it another way, bit stupid.

 

[hux]

I see no problem in making Rick the bad guy then having him redeem himself further down the line. It's definitely do-able. This is the zombie apocalypse remember so being "good" or "bad" doesn't really exist quite like it did before. People can do horrible things but for good reasons. People can do horrible things and be forgiven. Stretch it out over a season and I see no problem with Rick having an arc that involves going from good guy leader to bad guy threat back to good guy leader again

Seems to me that there are two possibilities

1. Rick is kicked out of Alexandria (a few choose to go with him) and he gradually becomes the bad guy leading to civil war (but is later redeemed)

2. Rick is kicked out of Alexandria (a few choose to go with him) and then Alexandria is eventually attacked by the Wolves and Rick's group comes to the rescue

The first option is exciting, different, complicated and interesting (and non repetitive) the second option is safe and basically the same story arc that Carol had

Judging by the writing we've seen so far on the Walking Dead, yeah it will probably be the second option

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

If a character is pushed--hard--toward a side that is not justifiable no matter the plot, it locks him in to the point where there cannot be some easy resolution, or path to redemption. If--for example--the spoiler theory posted by hux actually played out, there's no believable way the producers could drag this character out of being a total pariah.

I wouldn't say that. They've pretty much redeemed Carole even though she murdered two people out of paranoia. And she murdered a psychopathic young girl.

Yet her actions at Terminus in many people's eyes have IMO redeemed her.

The difference is who and how. If the theory offered by hux plays out, I feel that would turn Rick--after surviving for so long with this character--as an unforgivable demon.

David and Karen do not hold that position, other than setting up the revelation scene between Carol and Tyreese, and finally setting the latter on his depressed, fatal path of wanting nothing to do with the ZA.

In the case of Lizzie, there was no option--other than abandoning her, which would lead to death: either she would be assaulted/killed by groups like Joe's, rounded up by Terminus to be turned into food, or Lizzie herself would allow herself to be bitten so she could "be something" (re: her train tracks line to Mika). Carol had no choice, and Tyreese did not protest because he realized Lizzie was too dangerous.

Seems to me that there are two possibilities

1. Rick is kicked out of Alexandria (a few choose to go with him) and he gradually becomes the bad guy leading to civil war (but is later redeemed)

2. Rick is kicked out of Alexandria (a few choose to go with him) and then Alexandria is eventually attacked by the Wolves and Rick's group comes to the rescue

The first option is exciting, different, complicated and interesting (and non repetitive) the second option is safe and basically the same story arc that Carol had

Judging by the writing we've seen so far on the Walking Dead, yeah it will probably be the second option

I tend to agree. It would not be the first time the series cloned arcs or even scenes. After season 5 opening with banished Carol saving everyone, ending 5 or starting 6 with yet another exiled rescuer would make the series seem it is out of gas.

Some WD fans would cringe and cry at the idea of a civil war (and housecleaning deaths), but it would be all that you said and more.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Not to mention Rick balked at the idea of locking up Pete. In his mind, anybody who is against them should instantly be marked for death. Having Rick "break bad" and "turn to the Dark Side," only to be captured and rehabilitated would actually have to constitute a form of character growth that would be unprecedented in this show. Which is why I don't think it'll happen

Is it normal to hate a show with such a passion, yet you can't stop watching it?

 

[hux]

Is it normal to hate a show with such a passion, yet you can't stop watching it?

I love the show.......but I'm aware that a lot of the writing can be very formulaic and they do repeat themselves far too often. Most of the speculation people come up with regarding the show is noticeably more interesting than what we often actually get

I really, really hope they go with a "breaking bad" idea for Rick. Surely if any show can justify that kind of character development, it's one set during a zombie apocalypse

If next season is just another season of "bad man attacks the group".......then at least make the bad man, Rick

 

[Q2UnME]

EW and Huffpost are both reporting the title of the spinoff series to be "Fear The Walking Dead" and that we'll get our first clip during "Taking Dead" after the 90 min season ender.

I'm not sure about the title, pretty lame if you ask me. I think this BBS came up with something better. But, hey, you take what you get.

Q2

 

[Ryan8bit]

Wasn't part of that whole "too far gone" point that the bad ones don't really get to have redemption in this world? There just isn't the time and resources for it to happen. I feel like at a certain point, Rick could go that way, but not in the more charming Walter White type of way.