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The Walking Dead Season 5

Rick doesn't have to take over, they are handing him the keys to the kingdom on their own.

But, Deanna knows this. She mentioned it to Maggie. I think she's stuck between being afraid of them taking over and realizing that they are the best people for these jobs.

I think there's a sense of what Gabriel brought as well. There's this inevitability that Rick's group will, perhaps must, take over but also the cost it will bring. I think it's the idyllic small town facade that is the cherished thing that's really at stake.
 
BTW, Glenn, that thing you couldn't break the revolving door's window with? That was the butt of a GUN, which is far more capable of breaking multiple types of windows with its front end than with it's back. Could've gave that a whirl after the muscle fell short. Kind of belies some of the reality of his character there

Carol? No intervention, no punitive action, no whistle blowing? Just thought I'd stop by to tell you who you'll have to be murdering this week? lol! I'm not saying she's totally off base or anything, but it's kind of hard to condemn Gabriel for his skewed perspective on Rick's group, when this is the kind of shit he's seen. Albeit... the asshole who fed his parishioners to the ghouls is probably the last person who should be casting the 1st stone... so to speak. I don't even get that he's 100% confident in his OWN morality, given that Biblefetti scene

And I'm not entirely sure Abraham is as put together as people seem to think he is, with that little "Keep it together" steamy breathing scene
 
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Mr. Save his own skin will tell a much different story of Aiden's death than Glenn and Eugene will. And given Deanna's being warned of the 'serpents', she may not be inclined to believe Glenn.

Maybe, but Aiden and Nicholas got others killed every time they went out.
 
BTW, Glenn, that thing you couldn't break the revolving door's window with? That was the butt of a GUN, which is far more capable of breaking multiple types of windows with its front end than with it's back. Could've gave that a whirl after the muscle fell short. Kind of belies some of the reality of his character there

A gunshot in such an enclosed place would have been deafening. Noah's hands would have gone to his ears by reflex and then he wouldn't have been holding the door back. Plus, it could have turned the walkers right back on them.
 
A gunshot in such an enclosed place would have been deafening. Noah's hands would have gone to his ears by reflex and then he wouldn't have been holding the door back. Plus, it could have turned the walkers right back on them.
1. Deaf or dead? 2. 20 seconds to plug his & Noah's ears with torn/cut cloth. 3. Turning walkers are easier to kill/escape than ones piled on your position. 4. 1 chance is better than 0 chances
 
I suppose glass that won't respond to the butt of a gun might prove deadly to shoot at in an enclosed space if it doesn't go clean through. I was wondering the same thing about shooting it though.
 
Are we forgetting when Carl was trigger happy and shot the kid in the face as he was dropping his weapon, or are we just pretending it never happened? Rick apparently thought it was a big enough problem he told Carl to mind the crops and take his gun away.

Nope, not forgetting that at all. We just realize the difference in the two situations. Carl was being a little trigger happy and cold blooded in a combat situation. Lizzie was showing classic signs of being a serial killer. Seriously, killing her unarmed little sister is wacked.

I'm in the group that saw it as the boy NOT putting the gun down as instructed, then beginning to, but in a way that he could bring it back up and shoot. Further, Carl was responsible for defending an older man with limited chance of escape and and young unarmed woman. Carl was right to shoot.
 
I suppose glass that won't respond to the butt of a gun might prove deadly to shoot at in an enclosed space if it doesn't go clean through. I was wondering the same thing about shooting it though.
Meh... the worst it could've been is Plexiglas, but I'm noticing on rewatch, that Glenn comments to Nicholas that he has the ammo. So I suppose it's possible Glenn had no bullets


Anyway, the thing these last few episodes have illustrated is that everyone in Rick's group is a leader in some way. Abe, Glenn, Daryl, Carol, etc... That means Rick is the leader of leaders. That probably has to come to the forefront eventually
 
So, for everyone thinking Carol was some evil, twisted, would-be killer, she reaches out to Sam, but I hope she does not become desperate to kill Pete if Rick does not act fast enough, or end up getting killed by letting her defenses down by caring too much.

Rick is in two dangerous positions:

1. The symbolism of playing with the wedding ring--worn long after Lori's death as his undying tribute--now "threatened" by Rick's interest in Jessie. Add Carol suggesting he should kill Pete, and Rick could become target #1 for too many ASZ (and other) people...people with motives yet to be revealed.

2. Father Gabriel's informing now pushes suspicion and revenge in motion. Early on, some fans thought Gabriel was part of another group, or was more than he let on. The jury may still be out on that, as he seems more manipulative than afraid. With his confession to Deanna--and Deanna's son dying, she might look at Rick as the figurehead of all that is wrong with the group, and believe killing him will still leave the rest of the group to use for her own purpose.

Noah. Well, let's just say his death was not shocking. TWD telegraphs death too much. The second he started talking about reinforcing walls and the "beginning" line in the book, you knew he was not going to survive the episode.

Let's take a look at the all too predictable mortality set ups:

1. Dale gives his passionate speech about humanity, morality and not changing into killers. He dies minutes later.

2. T-Dog argues in favor of letting Oscar and Axel join the group, and if memory serves, he makes some reference to his faith, but h is shot down. What happens next? Yeah.

3. Andrea spent the second half of season 3 saying over and over and over again, that she's trying to stop people from dying, sandwiched between the poles of Woodbury and the prison. She is the only major character to die as a result of the conflict she argued against.

4. Hershel makes two speeches: the "what you're risking your life for" dialogue to Maggie and Rick, then his every word to the Governor, which inspires Rick's own speech at the prison fence. Hershel's own belief failed him.

5. Bob (on the way to the food bank) is saying much about hope and the future. Minutes later, he is bitten, and that night, he loses his leg to the cannibals.

6. Beth's sparring with Dawn about her strength / surviving was a continuation of her earlier arguments with Daryl. The set up being she once thought she would be "dead soon," only to find / prove she was as strong as believed. Of course, when she was seconds from freedom, that same strength--forever battling Dawn--leads to her doom.

7. Tyreese was forgiven for the last unfinished business about the prisoner exchange / Beth (Noah saying it was the right call), then he reminisces about childhood to a seemingly significant degree. Yes, that only meant one thing.

No more telegraphing, WD producers.

Carol? No intervention, no punitive action, no whistle blowing? Just thought I'd stop by to tell you who you'll have to be murdering this week? lol! I'm not saying she's totally off base or anything, but it's kind of hard to condemn Gabriel for his skewed perspective on Rick's group, when this is the kind of shit he's seen. Albeit... the asshole who fed his parishioners to the ghouls is probably the last person who should be casting the 1st stone... so to speak. I don't even get that he's 100% confident in his OWN morality, given that Biblefetti scene

Carol is on the right side of the issue (so far). If Sam still follows her around, he knows she is not the threat she tried to be in the previous episode. Gabriel is a hypocrite, as he locked the living out of the church, but condemns Rick's group. If he repented for his cowardly act, he might have the moral high ground (to a point), but he seems like a serious manipulator.
 
I figured that Noah was going to be killed off when I read that Tyler James Williams was cast as a regular in the back door pilot episode of the Criminal Minds spin off a few weeks back. Everybody Ate Chris tonight....
 
A gunshot in such an enclosed place would have been deafening. Noah's hands would have gone to his ears by reflex and then he wouldn't have been holding the door back. Plus, it could have turned the walkers right back on them.
1. Deaf or dead? 2. 20 seconds to plug his & Noah's ears with torn/cut cloth. 3. Turning walkers are easier to kill/escape than ones piled on your position. 4. 1 chance is better than 0 chances


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I agree that Gabriel's visit might push Deanna in the direction of Rick's group is dangerous. And there is a reason it was juxtaposed with Carol telling Rick he had to kill Porch Dick. While we, from the comfort of our own non-Walking Dead world can be quick to judge Carol, this is a new world. There's no therapy for Pete, nor are there women's shelters for Jessie and her son (doesn't she have a daughter also, or am I imagining things?).

Rick didn't listen to those who warned him about Shane, until it was almost too late. Will he make the same mistake twice?
 
I agree that Gabriel's visit might push Deanna in the direction of Rick's group is dangerous. And there is a reason it was juxtaposed with Carol telling Rick he had to kill Porch Dick. While we, from the comfort of our own non-Walking Dead world can be quick to judge Carol, this is a new world. There's no therapy for Pete, nor are there women's shelters for Jessie and her son (doesn't she have a daughter also, or am I imagining things?).

Rick didn't listen to those who warned him about Shane, until it was almost too late. Will he make the same mistake twice?

I also wouldn't be surprised if the town already know about Pete. It's a small town and big secrets are hard to come by in small town. But Pete gets a pass for what he is, because he's a doctor.

Why else make the abuser a vital member of the community.
 
I knew it was coming but seeing it play out, as opposed to reading it, makes me feel that Gabriel deserves a bullet.

Yeah, granting that our group has done a lot of horrible things in front of Gabriel, he saw them do it without the context of knowing what the outside world is like right now. He, however, is the one who allowed his parishioners to die and this group kindly took him in and protected him.

I agree that Gabriel's visit might push Deanna in the direction of Rick's group is dangerous.

If Deanna is as good at "reading people" as she claimed when we first met her she likely sees Gabriel as more the one with the problems and as untrustworthy.
 
The guy spouting Satan parables at your front door might be someone you take with a grain of salt, imho. lol
 
Well that was a bit of a bloodily gruesome episode eh?

For a main character (as much he was) that was one of the most graphic yet I'd say.
 
The guy spouting Satan parables at your front door might be someone you take with a grain of salt, imho. lol

well, the first time he said it, it sounded like a profound analogy, and quite a logical metaphor, considering who he was before the apocalypse.

But repeatedly saying that...hopefully Deanna will doubt Gabriel, and see he's loony. Especially looking at his own backstory.

2 more episodes? With one no doubt showing the Wolves at the door (if not an aftermath we'll see in full next season).
 
The guy spouting Satan parables at your front door might be someone you take with a grain of salt, imho. lol

Despite Father Gabriels biblical hyperbole, he's actually right on the nose about Ricks group. they have stated privately amongst themselves that they would try to take over Alexandria if the circumstances were right.

Then of course crazy Carol is threatening young children after stealing guns.

I was wondering what Maggie was thinking to herself on the stairway? Perhaps, 'we are busted.' :lol:

You gotta wonder how Deanna and her husband will react to the death of their son?

Crazy episode. One of the most violent IMO in the entire series. Aiden and Noah's deaths were extremely graphic. Didn't see Noah's coming but Aiden's recklessness pretty much signaled his downfall.

Reality check though - what are the odds that a solar power parts warehouse would be conveniently located near Alexandria? Moreover, they'd know exactly where it was. That kind of stretched my disbelief.
 
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