Sequel to The Doomsday Machine
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I've always thought a prequel to the events of The Doomsday Machine could have made for a very compelling story if properly done. There had to have been a series of dramatic events that took place before Kirk and his boarding party ever set foot on the deck of the Constellation.
What was Decker's relationship with his crew that their deaths drove him to near insanity? Why did Decker choose to attack when he was out of contact with Starfleet Command? What series of events led him to choose to beam his crew down in the presence of a machine that destroyed planets. What then happened after the beam down that ended with left him alone and alive aboard ship while his crew perished? What did Decker do (or not do) that resulted in his ship taking such a terrible pounding?
That's the story I'd love to see someone write....
What was Decker's relationship with his crew that their deaths drove him to near insanity? Why did Decker choose to attack when he was out of contact with Starfleet Command? What series of events led him to choose to beam his crew down in the presence of a machine that destroyed planets. What then happened after the beam down that ended with left him alone and alive aboard ship while his crew perished? What did Decker do (or not do) that resulted in his ship taking such a terrible pounding?
That's the story I'd love to see someone write....
continuing last....
When considering Decker's decision to beam down his crew, I think back to a line of Picard's from the TNG episode, "Time Squared:"
"A decision will be made during the course of which, I will be separated from the Enterprise. At the time, the decision will seem to be correct, but it won't be."
What drove Decker's decision to beam down his crew in those circumstances that made it seem like the right decision at the time???????
When considering Decker's decision to beam down his crew, I think back to a line of Picard's from the TNG episode, "Time Squared:"
"A decision will be made during the course of which, I will be separated from the Enterprise. At the time, the decision will seem to be correct, but it won't be."
What drove Decker's decision to beam down his crew in those circumstances that made it seem like the right decision at the time???????
what about a plot of someone trying to get their hands on the wreak of the Doomsday machine to try to build their own or at least get some reverse engineered goodies from it?
If done correctly that could be interesting.
The problem with this plot and other plots involving the future adventures of the wreckage is that I can't imagine for an instant that Starfleet would just leave the wreckage alone, the wreckage of something that required the destruction of one of their top-of-the-line ships to stop. It just doesn't pass the sniff test. Starfleet restricted travel in the Mutara sector because of the Genesis planet. I'd sooner believe than not that they'd clamp down on the space surrounding L-374. Starfleet would never let something like that fall out of their control and into other hands.
Unless part of the drama is how the security around the wreckage is overcome.
This is actually not a bad idea...Just as we have people/corporations/nations plundering for alternative energy sources/fuel, have someone plundering the husk of the planet-killer for weapons technology/fuel/etc. and have either the Enterprise or another ship try to survive/stop them...
Though the motivations/conflict have to be clear.
It<s not enough for a whole episode/book, it's at least more interesting than just a rehash of the original episode...
Oh, yeah, and that too. D'oh. Only death penalty at that.
I think this was a hundred percent plot convenient. The death penalty thing only served to emphasize the risk Spock was taking in doing what he was doing, nothing else. It's almost impossible ot justify based on the elements.
Uh...he cared about them?
KIRK: What happened to your ship, Matt?
DECKER: A ship. Attacked. That, that thing.
DECKER: We tried to contact Starfleet. No one heard. No one! We couldn't run.
KIRK: What happened to your crew?
DECKER: Oh, I had to beam them down. We were dead. No power, our phasers useless.
DECKER: And then it hit again and the transporter went out. They were down there, and I'm up here.
Simply being there and investigating.
I agree, I would love to see an episode that showed exactly what happened prior to the Enterprise arriving.
I actually had an idea for a new series set in JJ's universe. It could be the adventures of the Constellation. I don't know how many seasons it would run but the series finale could end with a retelling of The Doomsday Machine. Maybe in this version, Decker is able to save his crew but still sacrifice himself and his ship in order to destroy The Doomsday Machine.
Well, it was there to heighten the drama, yes. There's a case to be made for the death penalty, given the threat represented by the Talosians. What's more unbelievable than the death penalty itself is the idea that it is the only death penalty on the books. Surely there are other actions people could take, besides collaborating with the Talosians, that are just as dangerous to the Federation that you don't want them to do. So, if the Federation doesn't need to use the death penalty to cope with those, you have to wonder why it needs it to cope with Talos IV. So, yeah.
Yeah and how well exactly did Starfleet's efforts to restrict travel to those places work out, becuase enemy ships and their own ships going rouge seemed to have no trouble getting to those places.
I'm so confused.... are you by any chance fond of telling people that logic is a pretty flower that smells bad?
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No, logic is a little tweeting bird, chirping in a meadow.
Actually, after I responded to each of your questions, I realized you were just setting up the plot for the prequel but I didn't want to delete everything I already typed.
As I said at the end...I would love to see the battle that took place. It would make a great episode at least, probably a pretty good movie too but would have to include "Part 2"
True. But I put this in there too:
Meaning, it should actually provide drama. The Menagerie was better at that than STIII.
I suppose in some ways TMP already mined this territory, even had its own Decker...
I am ok with a sequel to Doomsday Machine. I am not okay with the return of either Decker or Gary Mitchell and most definitely any kind of time travel.
If Star Trek hadn't disintegrated in its third season, and had gone beyond, maybe they would have gone back to the Mirror Universe... it would have been cool to see a Mirror Universe Decker as an adversary for Kirk.
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