That was some clean work, I think Fish must have spent summers as a teen scooping ice cream.
Gotham - Season 1
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The only thing I remember abut Zatara was that he kept getting beaten and bested by the female vilainess Tigress.
This was a very violent ep. shootings, stabbings and Fish's spooning. I rather liked how Butch helped Oswald in getting the booze, but really Oswald has no clue how to run the nightclub. I liked the second gang leader's name being Dastro, I was sondering which one would become the Cobra Commander. 
It seems odd that the cops would just leave the mask in the street for the kid to find, but that felt like some of set up. And the Wayne Industries board puts new meaning to the words cutthroat. And it looks like Barbara has a hand in the creation of Catwoman.
It seems odd that the cops would just leave the mask in the street for the kid to find, but that felt like some of set up. And the Wayne Industries board puts new meaning to the words cutthroat. And it looks like Barbara has a hand in the creation of Catwoman.
Okay, the gore went too far for my tastes this time. They're really embracing the shock value.
I kind of liked the Red Hood storyline, in that it felt like the kind of story you'd read in a '50s crime anthology comic, a dark morality play about a tool of crime leaving bodies in its wake. Or even earlier in one of the Shadow pulp tales that inspired Batman in the first place. (Which is putting it politely -- Bill Finger's first-ever Batman script was basically plagiarized from a Shadow novel.)
I'm guessing that Alfred's hospitalization will lead to Gordon arranging for Leslie to take Bruce in, which is how she'll come to play her role in Bruce's life.
I kind of liked the Red Hood storyline, in that it felt like the kind of story you'd read in a '50s crime anthology comic, a dark morality play about a tool of crime leaving bodies in its wake. Or even earlier in one of the Shadow pulp tales that inspired Batman in the first place. (Which is putting it politely -- Bill Finger's first-ever Batman script was basically plagiarized from a Shadow novel.)
I'm guessing that Alfred's hospitalization will lead to Gordon arranging for Leslie to take Bruce in, which is how she'll come to play her role in Bruce's life.
Bruce needs a shark.
Though it's a shame that the "Previously on Gotham" ruined the sneakiness of who was behind Payne.
Hmmmm.
Though it's a shame that the "Previously on Gotham" ruined the sneakiness of who was behind Payne.
Hmmmm.
I'm willing to bet at or towards the end of the season Bruce finds a cave under Wayne Manor so he's not leaving his conspiracy board in full view of the people they keep inviting to spend a few nights at the mansion.
Also, I'm surprised they've gone this long without a single bat appearing in the show.
Also, I'm surprised they've gone this long without a single bat appearing in the show.
Ok...Fish Mooney is definitely coo coo for Cocoa Puffs.
What?
Down below she was using Speed as a business model.
To take power away from a hostage taker, kill the Hostage.
That's why they killed the guy in the basement.
He had the parts they needed so those parts were destroyed.
They wanted both of Fish's eyes.
A matching set they can give to some one who needed a matching set of new eyes.
No one wants to be a freak with unmatching eyes especially if you're a billionaire who is willing to pay millions for matching new eyes.
By destroying one of her eyes, they can't get a saleable set from what she's got left.
They might destroy her remaining eye out of spite.
But that that would make them assholes as well as businessmen.
Down below she was using Speed as a business model.
To take power away from a hostage taker, kill the Hostage.
That's why they killed the guy in the basement.
He had the parts they needed so those parts were destroyed.
They wanted both of Fish's eyes.
A matching set they can give to some one who needed a matching set of new eyes.
No one wants to be a freak with unmatching eyes especially if you're a billionaire who is willing to pay millions for matching new eyes.
By destroying one of her eyes, they can't get a saleable set from what she's got left.
They might destroy her remaining eye out of spite.
But that that would make them assholes as well as businessmen.
The Fish storyline crossed the line into total absurdity and needs to END now. Her story needed a break when she fled Gotham not to be shoehorned into the rest of the season. Jeffery Combs would play a good "Hugo Strange" though with that look (would need the beard of course) 
PS - Was it just me or was the Barbara/Kat thing a little disturbing & grooming like.
PS - Was it just me or was the Barbara/Kat thing a little disturbing & grooming like.
Yup.
But being a lesbian sometimes doesn't mean that she has to leap on every other attractive woman.
I could see grooming because I am disgusting, but it's also obvious that I was over reading and that Barbara only wanted to be a mentor because she's a fuck up failure in comparison to every other adult in the universe, so it is perhaps in a child's eyes only that Barbara would seem finally successful.
Nope.
Seriously, why take lessons from a failure?
Meanwhile what about the awkward considerably less attractive 13 year old with the facial tick 10 feet away listening to you verbally lick Cat head to toe with compliments?
(I'm team Ivy.)
Every ounce of praise Barbara gave Selena was something she would never say to Ivy, and therefore might even be the equal and opposite of what Barbara might honestly say to Ivy. Barbara was as good as calling Ivy an ugly ginger dog faced mutt who should cling to the shadows.
Ivy was well within her rights as a psychopath to burn down that building to the ground.
But being a lesbian sometimes doesn't mean that she has to leap on every other attractive woman.
I could see grooming because I am disgusting, but it's also obvious that I was over reading and that Barbara only wanted to be a mentor because she's a fuck up failure in comparison to every other adult in the universe, so it is perhaps in a child's eyes only that Barbara would seem finally successful.
Nope.
Seriously, why take lessons from a failure?
Meanwhile what about the awkward considerably less attractive 13 year old with the facial tick 10 feet away listening to you verbally lick Cat head to toe with compliments?
(I'm team Ivy.)
Every ounce of praise Barbara gave Selena was something she would never say to Ivy, and therefore might even be the equal and opposite of what Barbara might honestly say to Ivy. Barbara was as good as calling Ivy an ugly ginger dog faced mutt who should cling to the shadows.
Ivy was well within her rights as a psychopath to burn down that building to the ground.
It's true. Them's the rules.
Yeah, I don't think that was exactly the intent, but between Barb's attitude and Selina's reaction at being touched there was something very uncomfortable about that scene. Perhaps it's just an artefact of the actress playing Barbara being a little too young to pull off the whole creepy surrogate mother thing the way Fish can.
Speaking of...yeah, Fish is crazy. Brutally pragmatic and with nerves of steel, but still bonkers.
The implication that Thomas and Martha Wayne's murders might have been caused by WE is a marvelous turn.. and once Bruce becomes Batman that twist will make his mission a futile cause. I love it.
At first I thought the episode where Bruce goes camping on the estate would be about him finding the cave but perhaps it was/is a bit too early for that...
The problem with this show is that it has too many main characters, and a lot of the subplots are only included to give them an excuse to be there at all. For instance, Barbara, Selina, and Ivy really serve no purpose to the series at this point. And why are we getting all this irrelevant stuff with them when we haven't seen Montoya and Allen (who are also billed as regulars) in ages?
Hard to say. In general, a scene of an adult woman telling a teenage girl that she was beautiful would just be about encouragement and instilling confidence. But since Barbara is attracted to women, it did come off as potentially a bit sexual, which would be inappropriate given Selina's age.
Was the eyeball scooping absurd? Yes, but frankly, I found Barbara telling Selina she's beautiful underneath it all just as absurd. Not for the reasons people have brought up, but because Camren Bicondova is covered in make-up in every single episode and doesn't look like she's actually living on the streets. That's why I have a hard time taking her storyline seriously. By all physical appearances, it's absurd.
It's great to see Jeffrey Combs again (and presumably he'll appear at least one more time), but damn he's gotten old.
It's great to see Jeffrey Combs again (and presumably he'll appear at least one more time), but damn he's gotten old.
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