is it a full season? or is it one episode? rebles that is.
Star Wars Rebels Season One (spoilers)
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Well fans come in all shapes and sizes, and some of them are unable to suspend disbelief knowing that the particular work of fiction doesn't fit certain "parameters". I suppose some of them like to immerse themselves, lose themselves in the Star Wars / Trek universe, and they see the "canon" stamp as a certificate of sorts, certificate that guarantees them that they're not wasting time on a story that didn't "really" happen in this universe.
I've been to a number of conventions back in the day, met all sorts of people, and learned not to judge any of them. I just feel sorry for some of them because I think they're missing out. Some of the most entertaining stories I ever read were entirely non-canon (Myriad Universes series for example), and I even bumped into some fanfic stories worth reading.
It amazes me that this seemingly spawned from me saying I'd like to see Kyle Katarn show up. I'm fully aware he is EXTREMELY non-canon and was only the star of 4 video games, but I'd still like to see him show up, as he was a rebel agent at around the same time the current Rebels crew is doing their thing, and out of all the established EU characters that I can think of, his actions mirror and compliment Kanan's a lot - Kanan used to be a Jedi and is now a gunslinger/kinda Jedi, whereas Kyle was a gunslinger who finds out he has force powers. Yes, they're very similar personalities, but seeing them clash a bit before teaming up would be fun to watch. Plus *I* have always wanted to see Kyle Katarn make the jump to the screen, so I have that interest too. Much the same way I want a Halo movie (but Forward Unto Dawn was pretty badass too).
See, I don't get why it would be "wasting time." I mean, surely all of us are fans of more than one fictional reality. If I watch an episode of The Flash, I'm not wasting time because it isn't set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. If I watch Stargate, I'm not wasting time because it isn't Star Trek. Plenty of stories don't happen in each other's universes. The reason we like that is because it's enjoyable to see alternative "What ifs," different ways of putting the world together.
Besides, it's not like we're on the clock. This is recreation. Wasting time is okay when you're engaged in recreation. Some would say it's the whole point.
I'm not judging either. I'm saying just what you are, that I think people are missing out because of the self-limiting assumptions they're making. I don't want to slap a fine on them or throw them in fan jail, I just wish they could realize that there's more out there to enjoy than they're allowing themselves to see.
Depends on the individual. I feel that recreational activities that I'm pursuing enrich my life. To paraphrase John Chen of BlackBerry, it should be about making the most out of your time, not killing it. Reading a good piece of fiction isn't just a pastime, it's a time well spent if you genuinely enjoyed it.
^Exactly. A good story is a good story whether it's consistent with other stories or not. I just meant that the enjoyment of the experience is its own reward, that it's not some kind of finite, zero-sum game where enjoying a story in one continuity diminishes your ability to enjoy another one. Imagination is an endlessly renewable resource, so there is no real "waste."
While it's certainly plausible for Kyle to show up, I think that he and Jan are a little *too* similar to Kanan and Hera for it to work well (indeed, I have wondered if there wasn't som inspiration there.)
Aside from anything else, if they choose to stick more or less to the old EU version of events, at this point in his life Katarn has no clue as to his true heritage. Indeed, he may still be an Imperial stormtrooper. So if he were to show up, odds are it'd be feature his defection and not a team-up. Doubly so since "team-ups" are typically meant to two characters or sets of characters the audience are already familiar with (e.g., Spider-Man showing up in an X-Men story) and it's a safe bet that most of the audience aren't going to know or care who Kyle is.
A slightly better look at Fulcrum this time. Still up in the air but I'm still more or less convinced that Fulcrum is 1) an already established character, and 2) female. With that in mind my top candidates are still: Ahsoka, Asajj & Leia. Whomever they are, their apparently keen interest in Ezra almost certainly means this person will have had a prior connection with the Jedi, if not a (former?) Jedi themselves. Barris would also be an interesting choice, given how her story left off in TCW. The likes of Mon Mothma & especially Bail feel a little too obvious IMO.
That said, while I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll turn out this way, I still love the idea that Fulcrum is really Palpatine. I mean come on! Mysterious cloaked figure manipulating parties via hologram: where have we seen this before? Plus, it's absolutely his style to get all these disparate rebel cells, political activists, malcontents and disloyal officers to group together then come out into the open when he can obliterate them in one fell swoop. After all, did he not say "Everything that has transpire has done so according to my design!" Wouldn't it be a lot of fun it it turns out that was a much more sweeping pronouncement than it seemed?
Another near impossibility that occurred to me when I noticed how much the tone of the dialogue felt familiar: Padme. Yeah I know, she's dead and will almost certainly be staying that way and you'd have to do some serious plot gymnastics to reconsile that with waht we saw in RotS...but it'd be one hell of a surprise twist no?
That said, while I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll turn out this way, I still love the idea that Fulcrum is really Palpatine. I mean come on! Mysterious cloaked figure manipulating parties via hologram: where have we seen this before? Plus, it's absolutely his style to get all these disparate rebel cells, political activists, malcontents and disloyal officers to group together then come out into the open when he can obliterate them in one fell swoop. After all, did he not say "Everything that has transpire has done so according to my design!" Wouldn't it be a lot of fun it it turns out that was a much more sweeping pronouncement than it seemed?
Another near impossibility that occurred to me when I noticed how much the tone of the dialogue felt familiar: Padme. Yeah I know, she's dead and will almost certainly be staying that way and you'd have to do some serious plot gymnastics to reconsile that with waht we saw in RotS...but it'd be one hell of a surprise twist no?
Given how things turn over the next decade it would be a massive own goal if Palpatine was responsible for the formatin of the Rebel Alliance that defeated his empire.
But then again his designs seem to have massive flaws
Given how things turn over the next decade it would be a massive own goal if Palpatine was responsible for the formatin of the Rebel Alliance that defeated his empire.
But then again his designs seem to have massive flaws
Well that was already the case just taking the events of RotJ in their own context. He leaked the location of the second Death Star and the shield generator so that the rebels would mount a full frontal assault and be crushed in his ambush.
But as Luke pointed indicated, his overconfidence was his undoing. He couldn't foresee that a bunch of primitives would suddenly turn the tide on the ground, nor could he foresee that Vader still had something of the good that was Anakin within him and would be moved to betray his master to protect his son.
One might also argue that this could have been his plan with the original Death Star. I mean what if he initially allowed the plans to fall into rebel hands in the first place? Maybe the vulnerable exhaust port was a deliberate design feature, meant to embolden the rebellion to make a futile stand.
Had the Rebel attack failed, Tarkin would have vaporised Yavin IV and dealt a crippling blow to the nascent rebellion. The only reason they won was because Luke was there, something the Emperor didn't foresee.
This actually raises a larger question in regards to Star Wars lore and the nature of the force. Do force sensitives have an inherent difficulty or even inability to accurately see the future actions of other force users? Like in the Dune novels where prescients created a sort of quantum feedback that makes them invisible to other prescients.
It would explain how the Emperor didn't know about either Luke or Leia ahead of time and how he was able to effectively blind the Jedi council.
Mach5 said:
Because of a sale of the entire franchise to a media conglomerate. Something which doesn't happen every day, and it's arguable that if it had not happened the so-called "Legends EU" would still be canon for the foreseeable future. And now the kind of products that have traditionally been called "EU", as long as they came out after a certain point, are all considered canon yet again - and at the same level of canon this time. So the "things can change" argument is a double-edged sword.
Mach5 said:
This kind of thing can go both ways. Some people are calling the novel Darth Plagueis "de facto canon" because of the fact that its narrative is continued in the canon novel Tarkin.
Christopher said:
No, that would be the Star Trek system. Star Wars and Star Trek have always been a bit different in this area. "Canon until contradicted by a film" isn't the same as "not canon at all".
Christopher said:
IMO that's kind of an apples and oranges comparison due to the difference in scale.
Another nicely animated episode, thought it looked really great, even Chopper looked sharp in Imperial livery. At least they didn't have that creepy torture bot from ANH. With its weird sound FX I always found that thing unsettling.
An unsettling sound FX from a torture droid would be reasonably in line with what that droid is suppose to do.
I seem to recall the radio drama of that scene continues on having the droid inject Leia, who starts tripping out with Vader acting like her father being disappointed in her (I think, it has been a while since I listened to that scene). She started to believe, than resisted hard. Hard enough to impress Vader. I'd say he was winded by that, but with his breathing that's impossible to tell for sure. The later line about her resistance to the mind probe being a mix of drugs, noice, possibly a scanner from the droid, and Darth Vader's powers.
I seem to recall the radio drama of that scene continues on having the droid inject Leia, who starts tripping out with Vader acting like her father being disappointed in her (I think, it has been a while since I listened to that scene). She started to believe, than resisted hard. Hard enough to impress Vader. I'd say he was winded by that, but with his breathing that's impossible to tell for sure. The later line about her resistance to the mind probe being a mix of drugs, noice, possibly a scanner from the droid, and Darth Vader's powers.
I liked Chopper meeting the Imperial astromech. It actually had me going for a second there, but then I had to agree with Zeb.
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