What if in the VOY MU Michael Sullivan was a Real Boy?

[Melakon]

A transfer of consciousness? I don't get you.

TOS MU is the only good MU. Much of DS9's was awkwardly awful and dull.

Their "souls" crossed over into their alternates bodies.

Guy gets it. Though if I'm on his wavelength, maybe I should worry.

In "Mirror, Mirror", Kirk's landing party gets scrambled in the transporter beam during an ion storm and their minds are intact, but they're in MU clothing.

With DS9, the first crossover happens during travel through the wormhole that goes awry, and we wind up with two Kiras in the MU because she and Bashir arrived in their runabout. There wasn't any changing of places with their other selves, or we should have heard about them being captured during the resolution. Later trips were done via transporter, but still seemed without bumping their doubles into the opposite universe.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

The only DS9 MU episode I consider a good episode is the third one where Jennifer kidnaps Jake.

 

[Pondwater]

"Shattered Mirror"

I wondered why there wasn't a MU Jake Sisko.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sisko was slumdog scum.

Jennifer was a princess with a taste for a bit of the rough.

I'm guessing that human (slave) births have to be approved by Alliance oversight.

Of course different grades of slave have different approval processes.

Chris Rock had a joke about how Slave owners wouldn't let their slaves reproduce if they were smart enough to know what a rectangle was. Strong and stupid was the plan.

 

[hux]

My understanding of the MU from Mirror Mirror was that it was identical to ours (people had sex with the same people and had the same children and history followed the same course etc) BUT there was simply more evil in that universe (for some as yet unknown reason)

Then MU Spock rebelled against that due to his experiences with normal Kirk (then DS9 continued the rebellion)

But if that were true then there would need to be an explanation as to how people had become less evil in a universe that has more evil in it

 

[Guy Gardener]

You know it's possible the Halkons can control the crisscossingness and they designed the entire exchange?

 

[Melakon]

That's been my theory for a while. The Halkans are the one thing that seem constant between the universes. They like to sit outside and watch ion storms for some reason.

Then there are people who think the Mirror Universe is the timeline we're in right now.

 

[at Quark's]

I'm trying to imagine a MU Janeway now.

She might have been "evil", but probably she also would have been consistent in her decisions, prudent, and mindful of likely consequences before she acted.

Probably whould have made for a quite dull ship...

 

[trekshark]

having Vic be real was lame
what they should have done was change the gender of a human character or have a different actor play someone with the same name as one of the regulars or something like that to show that all these changes over the decades added up

I'm not sure any of the human characters from ds9 should have existed in the mirror universe since the terran empire had been crushed. Sure there would still be humans around but they'd be a real minority and there's no way the lineages would have happened the same way as in the prime universe

 

[hux]

The only holographic characters i would love to see in real life are.....Larg and K'kath

I can picture them in some alternative universe working as detectives. Every week they go on adventures and solve crimes. The chief of police slamming his fist onto the table and shouting..."the DA wants results....it's my ass on the line"

And they'd have an awesome theme tune

God i'd watch that.

 

[Dukhat]

I used to think MU-Vic was an android, but it's more likely that it was Felix. They call him "Fontaine," but they never use his first name...

In the RU, Felix was probably some nerdish computer geek who created Vic as a kind of idealized image of himself, so MU Felix could have been the badass warrior that RU Felix wasn't.

That's the most logical way of explaining it, because having Vic Fontaine as a real person in the 24th century MU was just ridiculously silly.

As for Sullivan: If there was ever a MU Voyager, it would probably be some Klingon/Cardassian slave ship, so perhaps MU Sullivan was a hologram created by the slave overseers to torture the human captives?

Who's Michael Sullivan?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ The holographic boyfriend Janeway created in Fair Haven / Spirit Folk.

As for MU "Fontaine", I suspect that the "real" reason he's there is that James Darren wanted a chance to do an action scene.

The only holographic characters i would love to see in real life are.....Larg and K'kath

I can picture them in some alternative universe working as detectives. Every week they go on adventures and solve crimes. The chief of police slamming his fist onto the table and shouting..."the DA wants results....it's my ass on the line"

And they'd have an awesome theme tune

God i'd watch that.

In the Klingon justice system, the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups: Imperial Intelligence, which investigates crimes, and the Defense Force, which executes the slimy petaQ. These are their stories.

{{doink-doink!}}

 

[borgboy]

I really hated that MU Fontaine was a real person. It can be explained away, but the whole idea and execution was clumsy and clunky.

 

[DonIago]

Personally I appreciated the sheer lunacy and/or audacity of it.

This is probably why I'm more tolerant of some moments in the LotR and Hobbit films...

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I agree having Vic Fontaine be a real person in the MU was silly, but was it more silly than anything else in the MU episodes? They made Kira a raging psycho-bisexual dominatrix. Those episodes were meant to be silly.

If it's any consolation, I'm 100% sure MJ/M7 happened.

And Mirror Chakotay's spirit animal was a literal animal he used to maul people.

And Mirror Kim was interesting!

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

As to how is it possible that Vic was real, well the whole idea is extremely stupid. Pretty much the most belief stretching stupidness Trek ever did.

I used to think MU-Vic was an android, but it's more likely that it was Felix. They call him "Fontaine," but they never use his first name...

In the RU, Felix was probably some nerdish computer geek who created Vic as a kind of idealized image of himself, so MU Felix could have been the badass warrior that RU Felix wasn't.

As for Sullivan: If there was ever a MU Voyager, it would probably be some Klingon/Cardassian slave ship, so perhaps MU Sullivan was a hologram created by the slave overseers to torture the human captives?

It's funny because Felix comes from Felix Leiter, IE James Bond american friend (that ends up eaten by a shark), it's a reference to the very first mention of Felix "our man Bashir" which was an homage to James Bond (it was an anniversary of the creation of the character I think)

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I agree having Vic Fontaine be a real person in the MU was silly, but was it more silly than anything else in the MU episodes? They made Kira a raging psycho-bisexual dominatrix. Those episodes were meant to be silly.

If it's any consolation, I'm 100% sure MJ/M7 happened.

And Mirror Chakotay's spirit animal was a literal animal he used to maul people.

And Mirror Kim was interesting!

Not to mention a nymphomaniac.

Mirror Tuvok can crack a smile without looking creepy.

IOW, not like that:

 

[Guy Gardener]

Regular Kim is also a nympho.

It's just that no wants to go near his urges.

 

[Dukhat]

I agree having Vic Fontaine be a real person in the MU was silly, but was it more silly than anything else in the MU episodes? They made Kira a raging psycho-bisexual dominatrix. Those episodes were meant to be silly.

It's one thing for the MU to be silly. And yeah, it was really silly. But it's another thing to actually link this silly universe to the one we saw in TOS's "Mirror Mirror." It degrades and cheapens what MM represented.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I agree having Vic Fontaine be a real person in the MU was silly, but was it more silly than anything else in the MU episodes? They made Kira a raging psycho-bisexual dominatrix. Those episodes were meant to be silly.

It's one thing for the MU to be silly. And yeah, it was really silly. But it's another thing to actually link this silly universe to the one we saw in TOS's "Mirror Mirror." It degrades and cheapens what MM represented.

At the very least it's different. Whether those differences make it better or worse is a matter of opinion. Ent and TOS both had the agonizing booth, I wonder why it disappeared on DS9...