While there was quite a bit about VOY that I didn't really care for, I do think it helped (with DS9) expand the Star Trek concept beyond just "the voyages of the Starship Enterprise."
Can we just pretend that Voyager never happened?
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What the Hell happened to F through U?
"Plenty of letters in the Alphabet" is one thing, but are you expecting me to believe that they went through 16 Enterprises in less than a year?
"Plenty of letters in the Alphabet" is one thing, but are you expecting me to believe that they went through 16 Enterprises in less than a year?
Pretending Voyage never happened would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It had its good parts.
However I am all in favor of pretending Harry Kim (the amazing Wallpaper Man) never existed and that we lost Neelix instead of Kes.
Either of those changes woul make Voyager 20% more awesome.
However I am all in favor of pretending Harry Kim (the amazing Wallpaper Man) never existed and that we lost Neelix instead of Kes.
Either of those changes woul make Voyager 20% more awesome.
Yes, there was nothing redeemable about this show in terms of writing, directing or acting. For seven years.
Good list. My list: TOS > VOY > ENT > STNG > DS9. I have been a Star Trek fan since I watched the first episode on NBC in September of 1966.
Ain't that the truth. This.
And let's not forget that the people who actually made the show didn't want it to be like this. I mean, they wanted "Year of Hell" to last an entire season! It was pure, unvarnished network interference that made them do what they did. The network bean-counters specifically ordered the show to be TNG-lite. The actual writers, producers, etc. had no choice in the matter.
That being said: I liked Voyager. There were some of its episodes (Blink of an Eye, One Small Step, Living Witness) that are some of my favorite Trek ever made. There are also some stinkers. But there's not a show in the history of TV that didn't have a similar diversity in quality.
Think of it this way: No show is so bad that someone, somewhere will not enjoy it...and the reverse is also true.
"Deadlock" would have been a lot better if Harry-2 hadn't replaced Harry-1.
Nobody makes you watch it. Personally, I see VOY as 2 different series. Kes VOY & 7 of 9 VOY and I prefer 7 of 9 VOY. I prefer it because I think Jeri Ryan is a better actress in a stronger role than Jennifer Lien. I also prefer it because the scriptwriting is stronger and the show wisely concentrated on Janeway, The Doctor and 7 of 9 and left the other, less interesting, characters to fight over the scraps.
I didn't get why crew-2 couldn't flee to ship-1 along with Harry and Naomi. Yeah, there would be 2 of each crewmember, but it's not like I'd let myself die, regardless if I was just perfectly cloned.
Especially since Mr. Wallpaper wasn't the only crew member who died, what makes him so special that he gets to live?
Of course the problem might have been that the resources of Voyage wouldn't have been able to care for twice the number of crew.
On the topic of good/excellent Voyager episodes:
The Thaw - the only "super powerful, conceptual villain" episode I can stomach. Fear is simply creepy and Kate Mulgrew is excellent.
Mortal Coil - A good Neelix episode, thought it impossible? Voyage did it! I loved Neelix' struggle with faith.
The Raven - 'nuff said!
The Year of Hell- even if it was only a two parter instead of a whole season, the Krenim were interesting, creative foes. Also one of the few fully justifiable reset-buttons in ST-history.
Nemesis - A bit hammy (okay, very hammy) but I really liked the theme and the horror of Chekotay being indoctrinated like that.
And that's just what I can think of at the top of my head. When Voyager was allowed to shine it was really excellent!
I think Nemesis would have been better if it turned out that the ones Chakotay was fighting for were the ugly ones...
Also the little girl must have been related to one of the higher ups because her acting was painful to watch!
She isn't related to anyone that would have gotten her the gig without sincere effort that I can see, and yes, she was a little painful. A lot of child actors are. But, she did get better (like when she was the younger daughter on Reba), and she was far better than Jake Lloyd was in The Phantom Menace, even on Voyager.
I haven't seen much Reba, and only the the first season, but it's stunning seeing Scarlet's range as an actress. Kyra Hart is more cunning, deceptive and manipulative than Quark.
TPTB want humans to be boring, sweet and innocent.
There was a memo.
Is it her fault really that Scarlet followed direction perfectly?
TPTB want humans to be boring, sweet and innocent.
There was a memo.
Is it her fault really that Scarlet followed direction perfectly?
My opinion in this matter are the exact opposite of yours.
I consider the show as two series. Star Trek Voyager and Star Trek Seven Of Nine.
I'd much rather forget that DS9 ever happened.
...or the presentation of the Klingons in any of the post TOS TV series which is ludicrous and catastrophic (yet still hugely popular with the fanbase).
I actually like Voyager best of all the Treks. It got back to doing what the series does best -episodic, imaginative stories with the focus on exploration. It got away from the horrible mistake of attempting to do a character driven, novelistic epic storyline that failed so miserably with DS9. It also moved away from the political correctness that infected TNG (great as that show was at its peak) and utterly swamped DS9 so the characters didn't just behave as if they were reading from a safety manual. It often managed to put an interesting twist on the staples of sci-fi programming.
...or the presentation of the Klingons in any of the post TOS TV series which is ludicrous and catastrophic (yet still hugely popular with the fanbase).
I actually like Voyager best of all the Treks. It got back to doing what the series does best -episodic, imaginative stories with the focus on exploration. It got away from the horrible mistake of attempting to do a character driven, novelistic epic storyline that failed so miserably with DS9. It also moved away from the political correctness that infected TNG (great as that show was at its peak) and utterly swamped DS9 so the characters didn't just behave as if they were reading from a safety manual. It often managed to put an interesting twist on the staples of sci-fi programming.
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