GUARDIANS of the GALAXY - Grading & Discussion
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Just tell us whether or not they're in Infinity War already.
I remember thinking in the theater that Farscape was unfortunately ten years ahead of its time.
I've squawked a lot on this thread about how over-rated this film was, and most people just responded by saying that it's just a fun movie, with nothing deeper. I can understand that... sure.. but I don't quite buy it. This movie achieved most of its prominence because it has Marvel stamped on it, and all that entails. I just wish people would be honest.. this film would be called the utter mess that it is if it hadn't had that label on it.
^^People were calling it an utter mess with the Marvel stamp on it right up until its opening weekend. Heck, even its opening weekend wasn't all that - but it had a stupidly long run in theatres. I mean, christ, what movie opens at 1, goes to 2 for two weeks then back up to Number 1 for four weeks in a row?! The Marvel stamp is an opening weekend bonus - The stamp up until Guardians never carried a movie to number one six weeks after its debut. That was entirely word of mouth from people enjoying it - Marvel raised its awareness so that people saw it opening week, but its legs came from it being a well received film.
The film story is still an utter mess. But slapping great wrapping paper (Marvel's logo, the MCU, et all) on a turd is all that the public needs today.
I call bullshit on this. I don't believe you're naive enough to post this and not know what kind of reaction you're going to get. This is trolling, plain and simple. You know this statement is going to rile up the people who enjoyed the movie and you most likely are going to end up getting the response that you want to get.
GOTG caught the attention of Al Pacino who now wants to be in an MCU movie, from the filmcutting site.
Somehow I doubt he was singing the praises of the movie just because it's an MCU movie. And really doubt the general movie going audience could dare less if it's an MCU movie. It's an awesome, exciting movie MCU movie or not.
Somehow I doubt he was singing the praises of the movie just because it's an MCU movie. And really doubt the general movie going audience could dare less if it's an MCU movie. It's an awesome, exciting movie MCU movie or not.
If I was trolling I wouldn't have posted paragraphs and paragraphs of my problems with the film. It hardly works as a story, and my point is that people might have seen it for what it is if it didn't belong to the MCU.
You are being a real ass. I'm not saying you are an ass, but accusing me of trolling is not right. I might report it.
People were saying pretty much right-up until the movie's release that this was Marvel's biggest gamble, that it could be their first real flop and that it was good that it didn't connect to the larger story/universe Marvel was building around The Avengers.
Your theory is absurd.
It possible that people just genuinely enjoyed the movie. I bought today and have watched it again and it's just a fun, good-hearted, entertaining movie. Lots of funny moments, utterly awesome soundtrack and good fight scenes and effects. It made me care about a giant, walking, tree and take a talking raccoon seriously. I think that's pretty damn good achievement.
What exactly is a mess about it?
Did I miss anything?
So you may not care for those individual elements, but it is not a "mess", it's an easily-followed story that simply takes a quirky approach with smartassed characters and a very (wait for it) COMIC-BOOK-Y villain, not to mention general ties to future stories.
Seems rather clean to me.
Star Lord was kidnapped as a child by Yondu and his men and raised by them as a general ruffian and treasure hunter. He finds the orb, escapes with it, starts running into the other members of the party, they all get arrested. Next, it turns out that Ronan is also hunting for the orb (but really because Thanos wants it). Awesome prison escape, The Collector explains the danger of the orb, Drax does a stupid and Ronan shows up; everybody almost dies, then they head to Nova for help. Cue the battle, lots of death, bang bang, showdown. Star Lord defeats the baddie with the power of COMPLETELY UNSMOOTH MOVES and the day is saved just barely. Finally there's a SEQUEL HOOK!
So you may not care for those individual elements, but it is not a "mess", it's an easily-followed story that simply takes a quirky approach with smartassed characters and a very (wait for it) COMIC-BOOK-Y villain, not to mention general ties to future stories.
Seems rather clean to me.
That's right. It's not about taste at all. You're just smarter than everyone else.
Everyone's mileage may vary, but I think it is a mess.
Here are a few things, all of which I've talked about before in this thread.
- I don't like how Marvel split the difference with their main character. What I mean is that, you think being an abducted human, he'd be the fish out of water character, serving as the audience's eyes through the story, and we learn as he learns, like the Last Star fighter. That kind of thing. But he was adducted at an early age (before he was old enough to understand half of the Earth references he makes in the film) and so he is already familiar with this world that is being explored, at least until the writers need him not to know something because we need to know it. So, to me, he's a lazy misture of both kinds of main characters (fish out of water POV character, and charactr who know's their universe) because Marvel was pretty lazy at deciding. This makes it hard for me to really care about this character. And many of his best traits were better played by Harrison Ford in other movies anyway.
- When introducing a bunch of different, new, and strange characters to a mass audience, it's smart writing to make sure each person has traits that make them distinct from the others. It's established that Drax doesn't get metaphors - that's one of his traits that the audience can pick out early to him as different from the others. Yet the stupid Footloose scene establishes that she doens't understand metaphors either. So why bother making this a distinct character trait for Drax? And, gender aside, Gamora and Drax have, for all intents and purposes, similar backgrounds and motivations, save for Gamora's parentage involves someone of larger prominence.
- In Star Trek Generations we didn't care much about the planet that Kirk and Picard try to save. Same with the planet here.
- Most of the dialogue in this film that didn't try to be so witty .. it was entirely motivational speeches.
- The racoon was the most consistently funny character, but even some of his jokes seemed a little forced.
- The villains are unmemroable. The female villain in particular is as bland as they come.
- Groot can do anything, whatever the script needs. This makes him uninteresting. Tension is dissolution whenever he is around.
- So the mercenaries had a huge fleet of ships just like the Milano. And the planet had a bunch of ships too. Just so we can get a lot of flying around and shooting and no idea what is really happening or any reason to care. As long as it looks kewl, I guess.
- I know it's more fantasy than sci fi, but it needs to establish -0 and then stick with - what happens to someone if they are caught in the vaccuum of space.
- Space look garishly ugly, to me at least.
- Why bring a huge ship to the planet when a small escape pod would not have drawn the attention.. all he needed to do was tough the orb or the stone inside to the surface.
- The more powerful and unstoppable the MacGuffin, the less likely I ma to care. Even the Death Star's ability to destory planets might have been too much if the Empire wasn't so desperate to recover the plans that might reveal a weakness, or of the script didn't hint at something more pwerful throughout the movie (the Force)
- use of prick and dick and all that stuff really seems cheesey in an already cheesey looking movie, especially when used by military leaders on Nova Prime
- The writing and the plot felt like something written by a teenager
Here are a few things, all of which I've talked about before in this thread.
- I don't like how Marvel split the difference with their main character. What I mean is that, you think being an abducted human, he'd be the fish out of water character, serving as the audience's eyes through the story, and we learn as he learns, like the Last Star fighter. That kind of thing. But he was adducted at an early age (before he was old enough to understand half of the Earth references he makes in the film) and so he is already familiar with this world that is being explored, at least until the writers need him not to know something because we need to know it. So, to me, he's a lazy misture of both kinds of main characters (fish out of water POV character, and charactr who know's their universe) because Marvel was pretty lazy at deciding. This makes it hard for me to really care about this character. And many of his best traits were better played by Harrison Ford in other movies anyway.
- When introducing a bunch of different, new, and strange characters to a mass audience, it's smart writing to make sure each person has traits that make them distinct from the others. It's established that Drax doesn't get metaphors - that's one of his traits that the audience can pick out early to him as different from the others. Yet the stupid Footloose scene establishes that she doens't understand metaphors either. So why bother making this a distinct character trait for Drax? And, gender aside, Gamora and Drax have, for all intents and purposes, similar backgrounds and motivations, save for Gamora's parentage involves someone of larger prominence.
- In Star Trek Generations we didn't care much about the planet that Kirk and Picard try to save. Same with the planet here.
- Most of the dialogue in this film that didn't try to be so witty .. it was entirely motivational speeches.
- The racoon was the most consistently funny character, but even some of his jokes seemed a little forced.
- The villains are unmemroable. The female villain in particular is as bland as they come.
- Groot can do anything, whatever the script needs. This makes him uninteresting. Tension is dissolution whenever he is around.
- So the mercenaries had a huge fleet of ships just like the Milano. And the planet had a bunch of ships too. Just so we can get a lot of flying around and shooting and no idea what is really happening or any reason to care. As long as it looks kewl, I guess.
- I know it's more fantasy than sci fi, but it needs to establish -0 and then stick with - what happens to someone if they are caught in the vaccuum of space.
- Space look garishly ugly, to me at least.
- Why bring a huge ship to the planet when a small escape pod would not have drawn the attention.. all he needed to do was tough the orb or the stone inside to the surface.
- The more powerful and unstoppable the MacGuffin, the less likely I ma to care. Even the Death Star's ability to destory planets might have been too much if the Empire wasn't so desperate to recover the plans that might reveal a weakness, or of the script didn't hint at something more pwerful throughout the movie (the Force)
- use of prick and dick and all that stuff really seems cheesey in an already cheesey looking movie, especially when used by military leaders on Nova Prime
- The writing and the plot felt like something written by a teenager
*Sigh*
Military leaders quoting someone else!
Military leaders quoting someone else!
Which is legit. But I don't see the need to veer from film criticism to insulting the people who do like it.