Do you think they'll keep making Abramsverse movies after #3?

[Rory1080p]

given the more I hear about Reboot 3 the more it sounds like it will be even more shite than Into Darkness was, I really, really hope not.

 

[Greg Cox]

Well, I suspect we're just starting to repeat ourselves here. From where I'm sitting, the universe of the new movies doesn't seem darker or less optimistic than the universe we saw in TOS, which was full of flawed, imperfect people--and had plenty of dark corners as well. Heck, the very first episode begins with Kirk and Co. discovering that pretty much everybody at a remote science outpost has been killed by an unknown predator, who turns out to have killed and replaced McCoy's former sweetheart. And then Kirk and Spock end up killing the last surviving member of an alien species. Yikes. That's not exactly a feel-good story.

In fact, just for fun, I have to wonder how some fans would react to "The Cage" if it first aired today:

"Ohmigod, what kinda STAR TREK story is this? The captain sits around drinking martinis and fantasizing about being an Orion slave trader because he got an entire landing party slaughtered on a planet of giant barbarians. Then he gets captured by some voyeuristic aliens who torture him and tempt him with sex, until he defeats them by focusing on hate and violence! And, just to top things off, they leave the poor disfigured girl behind because she's not really cute and pretty. Jesus Christ, talk about grim and pessimistic. Whomever wrote this thing obviously had no idea what STAR TREK is really all about!"

I'm being cute here, of course, but it all depends on how you look at things. It's possible to condemn any number of classic TREK stories for not being "optimistic" enough if you look at them from the right angle. Same applies to the new movies.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Greg wins the interwebz for the day.

 

[Greg Cox]

I admit I was having too much fun there . . . .

 

[Set Harth]

In STID Kirk does the right thing.

There's your optimism right there.

 

[mos6507]

Trainee Starfleet security personnel, of all people, should not be that easy to provoke when confronted by a drunk civilian and Starfleet itself should not be so "relaxed" about their behaviour.

You mean like that time when Scotty got into a bar fight with a bunch of Klingons because they called the Enterprise garbage?

I think the difference is that the scene in Trouble with the Tribbles was funny and made Scotty seem endearing by anthropomorphising his ship. You could root for him, regardless of regulations. The scene in NuTrek simply mades Kirk look like a simple immature douche.

 

[Masiral]

Trainee Starfleet security personnel, of all people, should not be that easy to provoke when confronted by a drunk civilian and Starfleet itself should not be so "relaxed" about their behaviour.

You mean like that time when Scotty got into a bar fight with a bunch of Klingons because they called the Enterprise garbage?

I think the difference is that the scene in Trouble with the Tribbles was funny and made Scotty seem endearing by anthropomorphising his ship. You could root for him, regardless of regulations. The scene in NuTrek simply mades Kirk look like a simple immature douche.

Scotty and Kirk aren't being compared here; Scotty and the cadets are. Kirk is in the Korax role here, taunting the cadets much like Korax taunted Scotty. Scotty proved just as easy to provoke into a fight as the cadets.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yep, you just have to push the right buttons.

 

[fireproof78]

As Chief of Starfleet Operations, having some control over S31 is well within the possibility, at least in my mind.

Only if you don't value a free society I would suggest. Which isn't too optimistic.

Finally, as for the cadets in the brawl, who is to say they were not disciplined? Harry Kim received a permanent reprimand on his record barring him from promotion but still served. Kirk committed theft of Starfleet property as received a demotion, but was still allowed to serve in Starfleet. The fact that we don't see any punitive action taken, or that they are still in Starfleet does not mean nothing happened.

So what was the response in STiD? I don't think we can rely on the "who is to say" argument when the opposite impression (if anything) is given in the movie and once again we seem to be leaving out the circumstances of those other examples (some of which [Harry Kim] I don't recall).

I'm not sure how Marcus being in charge of S31 means there is no free society

As for action against the cadets, it really is not relevant to the story that is being told. For all we know, they were all relegated to being low ranking officers for the rest of their careers. The point of my examples is infractions that occurred, some to a more severe degree than a bar fight, and yet the culprit(s) were allowed to continue serving, to varying degrees. I guess my point is that it is nothing new to Trek.

Trainee Starfleet security personnel, of all people, should not be that easy to provoke when confronted by a drunk civilian and Starfleet itself should not be so "relaxed" about their behaviour.

You mean like that time when Scotty got into a bar fight with a bunch of Klingons because they called the Enterprise garbage?

I think the difference is that the scene in Trouble with the Tribbles was funny and made Scotty seem endearing by anthropomorphising his ship. You could root for him, regardless of regulations. The scene in NuTrek simply mades Kirk look like a simple immature douche.

I find both scenes equally funny and entertaining, as well as enlightening to characters in both instances-Scotty's breaking point with the Klingons and Kirk's reckless nature. They are both stupid fun, Western (think cowboys) tropes, and I find to be the least objectionable out of all the content in Abrams movies. At least Kirk's fight wouldn't start and intergalactic war

If you don't like the scene, that's fine and I get that. But, I think it is a bit of a stretch to say that something is wrong with Starfleet or the Federation because of one scene.

 

[Amaris]

We've seen the crew of the Enterprise turn into base, primordial creatures, only to resume work the moment everything is okay again. This happens hundreds of times over the course of their mission, and they're all still together (with one or two exceptions) at the end of that mission. In short, there's no consistency with Starfleet regardless of what universe we're in. It's best for people to just accept this and relax.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Some people forget that the Western and it's tropes are among the inspirations for Star Trek.

 

[Melakon]

Civilian NuKirk wouldn't have gotten into a fight at all, if Cupcake hadn't asked Uhura if Kirk was bothering her. He came over there already wanting to bust a local's head.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think the difference is that the scene in Trouble with the Tribbles was funny and made Scotty seem endearing by anthropomorphising his ship. You could root for him, regardless of regulations. The scene in NuTrek simply mades Kirk look like a simple immature douche.

I thought, "So go get a couple more guys, and we'll call it a fair fight," was funny and endearing.

 

[Franklin]

I think the difference is that the scene in Trouble with the Tribbles was funny and made Scotty seem endearing by anthropomorphising his ship. You could root for him, regardless of regulations. The scene in NuTrek simply mades Kirk look like a simple immature douche.

I thought, "So go get a couple more guys, and we'll call it a fair fight," was funny and endearing.

+1

 

[fireproof78]

I think the difference is that the scene in Trouble with the Tribbles was funny and made Scotty seem endearing by anthropomorphising his ship. You could root for him, regardless of regulations. The scene in NuTrek simply mades Kirk look like a simple immature douche.

I thought, "So go get a couple more guys, and we'll call it a fair fight," was funny and endearing.

+1

 

[Mudd]

After the Justin Lin announcement I have to say yes, Paramount is in this for the long haul.

 

[Ovation]

But didn't someone have it on "rock solid authority" that in about a month we're all going to be rescued from this dire fate by CBS who plan to resurrect the "one TRUE PRIME universe", on TV, where every TRUE fan knows Trek belongs?

I'm soooo CONFUSED!!!!

 

[JoeP]

But didn't someone have it on "rock solid authority" that in about a month we're all going to be rescued from this dire fate by CBS who plan to resurrect the "one TRUE PRIME universe", on TV, where every TRUE fan knows Trek belongs?

I'm soooo CONFUSED!!!!

I really hope people have kept screenshots of those posts so that they can be thrown back in their faces when they don't pan out.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

After the Justin Lin announcement I have to say yes, Paramount is in this for the long haul.

I was thinking the same thing. With Lin directing four Fast & Furious movies in seven years, maybe they're setting Trek up to start releasing faster than the glacial pace they've been going at it for the past five (almost six) years.

 

[Greg Cox]

Trainee Starfleet security personnel, of all people, should not be that easy to provoke when confronted by a drunk civilian and Starfleet itself should not be so "relaxed" about their behaviour.

You mean like that time when Scotty got into a bar fight with a bunch of Klingons because they called the Enterprise garbage?

I think the difference is that the scene in Trouble with the Tribbles was funny and made Scotty seem endearing by anthropomorphising his ship. You could root for him, regardless of regulations. The scene in NuTrek simply mades Kirk look like a simple immature douche.

But Kirk is supposed to be a brash, immature, troubled young kid in that scene. That's the whole point. He's not Captain James T. Kirk of the Starship Enterprise yet. He's a cocky young man with issues who Pike needs to set straight--and who hasn't even enrolled in Starfleet Academy yet.

Whereas Scotty was a seasoned officer and chief engineer of the Starship Enterprise in "Tribbles."

Immature young men are, well, immature by definition. Heck, even the sainted Jean-Luc Picard was known to get into brawls in his Academy days. Have we all forgotten that incident witht Naussicans?