Your own personal continuity

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Lon Suder, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. LordMudd

    LordMudd Commander Red Shirt

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    I think the idea here was that Data had evolved as far as the writers could take him, and they wanted to create a tie in character in case there was a new series.

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  2. ensign caden

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    hi my name is ensign caden im a huge fan and looking for people to share my love of star trek i just started collecting stuff i have a comic khan reining in hell a mug and the new movies i also have a few books so you can see i like all trek but know little so looking to learn
     
  3. Robert Comsol

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    Interestingly, though it may just be a rumor I heard, when it came to "Amok Time" some people pointed out that it couldn't be Altair IV because that planet had been claimed by "Forbidden Planet", so it was changed to Altair VI...

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  4. Yanks

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    Interesting topic.

    Couple come to mind.

    1. Uhura doesn't do a dance in STV.
    2. Orion Slave Girls aren't part of Star Fleet in ST09.
    3. Nero didn't have to wait 25 years for Spock to come through the super-wham-o-dine black hole.
    4. nuUhura and nuSpock aren't a thing after ST09.
    5. TATV doesn't exist.

    Some more later probably. :techman:
     
  5. LordMudd

    LordMudd Commander Red Shirt

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    I like several of the novels, especially the ones written by people who also wrote for the series. DC Fontana in particular comes to mind. She is responsible for most if not all of the Vulcan mythos, so I feel that you can pretty much take anything she writes as canon.

    I had an Idea for an episode of DS9 with Harry Mudd. The basis for it was how Harry got off of the android planet. In my version he created androids of himself and used the confusion to slip away. So did an unknown number of the androids, all believing that they are the real Harry. So my story, which is the back story of the episode, starts with Odo watching Harry exit the airlock and walk into Quarks. He then goes into his office and begins a background check. Later we begin to see the results of that search as an arrest record longer than Odo's arm is revealed, and being a shapeshifter, Odo can have a pretty long arm. Then Odo notices that some of the dates conflict, putting Harry in 2 places at once, and some of them even come with confirmed execution dates. Then Odo finds a file that won't open, resulting in a conference with an Admiral at Starfleet about Mudd's World and the tech there that the Federation wants to keep out of the hands of it's enemies, like the Romulans and Cardassians who would have no moral objection to creating a disposable army to attack with. Odo points to Harry and says "I think you are a bit too late for that."
    The point of this story is to open the door for as many Harry Mudd stories as people can imagine, which can end any way the writer wants because they don't have to be the same Harry. It could have even opened the door for a Voyager Harry story.

    Now, before you say that's nice but Roger Carmel is dead, yes I know, but you obviously don't know me very well. Considering that I spent 3 years on the SE Texas convention circuit undefeated in my Harry Mudd costume, I figured that as long as I didn't have to say anything, I would be a perfect stand in, hence my ulterior motive in all of this, AND the reason for my screen name.

    I also created my own character that I used in a short story I wrote for a college lit class. Got an A by the way.

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  6. Lucky

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    I consider all the shows canon, including TAS. There is also a part of me that wants to treat the Shatnerverse novels as canon due to Shanter's involvement in them.
     
  7. JRoss

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    All of TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9 and ENT (except TATV) happened. Voyager, ST V, Generations and Nemesis did not.

    The Final Reflection is true, just a bit out of sync with ENT's official timeline. Those Neo-Nazis in TFR are the ideological descendants of Terra Prime.

    Guinan is really a displaced Time Lord. Admiral Marcus was inspired to create the Vengeance by reading a trashy pulp adventure from the 20th century.

    Picard is Wesley's father.
     
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  8. T'Girl

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    Dreadnought?

    :)
     
  9. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    I got a 404 error message from this link.
     
  10. Robert Comsol

    Robert Comsol Commodore Commodore

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    That's not what I recall. Wasn't it that he just expressed discomfort to what hero status he had been elevated to?

    Alternately, we'd have to pinpoint a couple of TOS episodes with obvious and "exaggerated drama" to test the validity of such a claim.

    Another thing: Surely there must be somebody who can say a few good things about ENT's "These Are The Voyages" (TATV), right?

    Okay, I go first: It was the first and only time that we saw TNG footage reframed for 16:9 widescreen in the opening scene (with extra image information left and right previously unseen). :techman:

    Next, please...

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  11. T'Girl

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    My copy of the novelization is miles away in storage, but as I recall Kirk was saying that it was his sexual adventures and the numbering of them that was exaggerated.

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  12. JRoss

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    Yup.
     
  13. Tarheel

    Tarheel Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Looks like the link should be http://www.canonwars.com/STCanon.html
     
  14. alpha_leonis

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    When the Enterprise left the galaxy in WNMHGB, they actually went either "up" or "down" relative to the galactic plane. Not "out" to the rim.
     
  15. King Daniel Beyond

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    Gene Roddenberry, writing as James T. Kirk in the first person, pages 7 and 8:

    Unfortunately, Starfleet's enthusiasm affected even those who chronicled our adventures, and we were all painted somewhat larger than life, especially myself.
    Eventually, I found that I had been fictionalized into some sort of "Modern Ulysses" [...] Nor have I been as foolishly courageous as depicted. I have never invited injury; I have disliked in the extreme every duty circumstance which has required me to risk my life. But there appears to be something in the nature of depicters of popular events that leads them into the habit of exaggeration. As a result, I have become determined that if I ever find myself involved in an affair attracting public attention, I would insist that some way be found to tell the story more accurately.


    In other words, the TOS we saw wasn't the real thing. Gene Roddenberry's little way of jettisoning everything he'd thought better of since the 60's.
    Oops, didn't realize putting the link in parenthesis would break it. My bad.
     
  16. Robert Comsol

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    I think this is just conjectural speculation because we do not really know to what these "chronicled adventures" refer to (written articles in public magazines or the actual TOS episodes?).

    And how were the crew members painted "larger than life"?

    Do we instead have to assume
    • that the chief engineer was constantly drunk and exaggerating his actual capabilities?
    • that the navigator was a fanatic, rebellious Russia lover, wearing actually a red star in his insignia and constantly talked about the great Soviet Union and how much communism laid the foundation of the UFP?
    • that the helmsman was such a knife and dagger lover that he constantly brought one to the Bridge and had strange daydreaming fantasies ("And the Children...")?
    • that the doctor, too, was most of the time drunk, explaining his permanent cursing, and incompetent (according to the Klingons in TUC)?
    • that the communications officer permanently had to be asked to speak in English and not Swahili?
    Bob ;)
     
  17. T'Girl

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    With all due respect to the ashes of Roddenberry circling this planet, I'll stick with the original episodes and their depiction of events.

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  18. Cyke101

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    I kind of imagine this "larger than life" reputation is why Mr. Adventure was genuinely confused by Uhura picking essentially a desk job, Preston a wee bit in awe of the ship, Klaa wanting the fairly obsessed honor of hunting Kirk, the crew minus Kirk keeping their ranks after court martial, and why the Enterprise was picked to meet with Kronos-1.

    But if nothing else, I suppose it goes to show that word-of-mouth rumor mills are still a thing in the future, even with the vast gulfs of space. Details can be exaggerated, taken out of context, or changed in other ways quite quickly when it comes to rumors, hearsay, and gossip.
     
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  19. King Daniel Beyond

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    Given Roddenberry's opinions of TOS (see canonwars link on the prior page), I think it's hard to interpret it in any other way than as a direct reference to the classic series.
    I think its fair to say Kirk and crew were larger than life heroes throughout TOS (and TAS and the movies). Everything from beating impossible odds every week to coming back the next completely devoid of psychological trauma, falling in love several times in the space of 50 minutes, lots and lots of fantasy magic science and countless other examples common to television shows paint them as such.

    I also wonder if this "popular depiction" explanation was meant to explain why everything looks so completely different in the movies than it did in TOS. It's in no way a believable in-universe evolution, not one control console in the movies at all resembles what came in TOS except in their most basic layout around the bridge. And then there are the Klingons, which Roddenberry claimed for years were always meant to look as they did in the movies.
    For once, we are in agreement:)
     
  20. Mario de Monti

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    Personally I view each series (including the Abrams movies) as something like "variations on a theme" and enjoy them separately without trying to fit together bits and pieces that simply donĀ“t go together. Too many people have been involved with Trek over the decades for everything to comprise one coherent universe.
    For me at least this attitude works very well :)

    Would be interesting to see ...