You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Lance, Nov 8, 2013.

  1. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

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    This planet should be a interstellar nightmare for the Federation. Every major power, and the Federation's own citizens, hauling ass into the sector.

    Think the Klingons were pissed over Genesis? Imagine the Romulans or the post-war Cardassians when they find out about this planet.
     
  2. Hartzilla2007

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    Assuming the Klingons and Romulans actually give a shit about immortality.

    The Klingons wanted Genesis for use as a weapon of mass destruction, they didn't seem to give a crap about other uses for it.

    This isn't really a similar situation.
     
  3. BillJ

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    Wouldn't warriors staying young and healthy for a much longer period of time be a good thing for an Empire dedicated to battle and conquest?
     
  4. AgentCoop

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    Why wouldn't the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and literally every other power in the quadrant care about immortality for their people? Or even just greatly increased lifespans? Of course they would. About the only ones who wouldn't care are the Q.

    The really fun part is that, unlike the Federation, the Romulans, Klingons and Cardassians would not be inclined to share. It wouldn't be enough for those guys to get the secret of immortality, they'd want to make sure no one else got it. It would take about five minutes for a quadrant-spanning war to break out over control of the planet.
     
  5. Hartzilla2007

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    The Empire that seems to frown on modern (24th century) medical technology and doesn't seem to care much for science, That empire?
     
  6. T'Girl

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    They might carry around knives and bat-thingies, but the Empire was created as a result of science and technology.

    That not true, three Klingons were discussing possible uses of the Genesis Device, one saw the weapons potential of the device (as did David Marcus), another Klingon saw the planet creating abilities, the third Klingon didn't venture an opinion.




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  7. starburst

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    I see where you are coming from, but if hiding a cloaked holoship for research purposes was a standard procedure for a Duck Blind mission neither Data or Picard should have been surprised when they found it. If that was the case it would have been logged as attached to the mission along with the Scoutship and any other kit they had with them.

    The suits further compound the problem, if they are so useful for observing races like this up close then why were they never used during the Dominion War for scouting missions!

    I would have enjoyed seeing that film, make the Enterprise insurrection far less black and white.

    Dougherty obviously thought he was doing the right thing for the Federation so it could have been played as a good man doing the wrong thing for reasons you can at least sympathise with without the S'ona clouding the water with their revenge.

    Just like Into Darkness which could have been about (and was said to be about) a story of an Officer doing some very bad things but with reasons you could relate to... both ended up being tales of revenge by a madman (although I think ITD is more compelling a revenge tale).

    Which as Picard stated in his initial report they had Warp technology so the Prime Directive didn't apply to them which Dougherty also used to explain away why they could be moved, they moved their they didnt evolve on the planet.

    In Dougherty's mind he was restoring the natural evolution of 600 people to save countless others.
     
  8. BillJ

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    They wouldn't have needed the science as the S'ona seemed to have that end of the equation worked out. Plus, I never bought the notion that the Empire completely rejects medical advances that help make them stronger. The Klingons were fooling around with genetic engineering in the 22nd century. They obviously have doctors as Gorkon's personal physician was killed when Kronos One was attacked.
     
  9. BillJ

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    Thinking about it, this is another reason I hate the bad-hair, biker Klingons Modern Trek and Ron Moore foisted upon us. They are a direct contradiction of the TOS Klingons. The one's who were able to develop planets ("The Trouble with Tribbles"), develop devices that can strip the mind of its information ("Errand of Mercy"), obviously are able to build colonies on non-Class M worlds ("Friday's Child"), able to develop new weapons and create a Tribble predator ("More Tribbles, More Troubles"). Plus were able to build and maintain a fleet that was on par with the Federation.

    Modern Trek did Gene Coon's creation a huge disservice with how they depicted them.
     
  10. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

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    And yet, all of fandom (so we're led to believe) hates Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek because 'they have no plot' yet this movie gets a pass from them! This movie has no plot, and nobody to sympathize with in the form of the Ba'ku (who are way too white for most people), yet it's better simply because the characters are the way the are and not too changed like Kirk was in the new movies. Amazing:rolleyes:

    SOME wars are like that-not all wars are (see Battlestar Galactica for what I mean). And some soldiers don't get to rest up at all in the ways mentioned by you.
     
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  11. AgentCoop

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    ^I just recently listened to the new commentary that Frakes and Marina Sirtis did for the Blu-Ray and even he pointed out the fact that the Baku are all white. It's weird.

    Incidentally, can we get those two to do commentaries for all the films? Even the ones they weren't in? They were great fun to listen to.
     
  12. BillJ

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    Battlestar Galactica wasn't a war but an attempted genocide with the Cylons sending wave after wave of killbots (extra points if you get the reference) after the humans. I don't think it's fair to compare the two wars because the two enemies had entirely different goals.
     
  13. Reanok

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    What irks me about the movie Data being killed off.And the silly b4 storyplot.It was a lousy movie.
     
  14. BillJ

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    Wrong movie. :p
     
  15. Shaka Zulu

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    About that...I used to think that Ted Turner was a jerk for not leaving his fortune to his kids after he died, but after seeing how trust fund brats like Paris Hilton carry on with their parent's money, I now understand why he did it.
     
  16. T'Girl

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    While a common believe that I myself embraced for years, after reading a write up on her by Fortune Magazine I no longer believe in. Yes she does play a dizzy blonde in public, however behind the scenes Paris Hilton is a sharp business woman who has taken her trust fund and increased it enormously.

    She learn well from her family while growing up.

    :)
     
  17. AgentCoop

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    ^Not only that, but the only trust fund kids we ever hear about are the bad ones. The good ones fly under the radar.

    Not that I'm speaking from experience. My big legacy will be my parents' furniture.
     
  18. Armored Saint

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    The first time I saw the movie, I was probably thirteen, so I didn't was really concerned about ethical issues. I was instead wondering why radiation didn't start to rejuvenate the Son'a. Geordi's blindness from birth was fastly cured and Worf got back to puberty, but at the end of the movie, Son'a are still old bleached scrotum.
     
  19. DonIago

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    May just be an indication of how far gone they were to begin with.
     
  20. BillJ

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    You have to wonder what Dougherty was like prior to exposure to the rings? :lol: