Yeoman Rand & Production order

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  1. Hober Mallow

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    Match the Chekov quote to the movie:

    1. "WHAAAAAAAA!"
    2: "Hwa...AAAAAAAAAAA!"
    3: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

    A. TMP
    B. TWOK
    C. TVH

    Wasn't Doohan actually dismissed from the series early on only to be brought back?
     
  2. Harvey

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  4. Hober Mallow

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    Ah, yes, I remember reading your article now. Thanks for that.

    Makes me wonder if Biff Yeager got exactly the same letter two decades later on TNG.
     
  5. T'Girl

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    Screaming in fear, and crying out in pain, really aren't the same thing.

    :)
     
  6. Marsden

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    I read your post, thanks Harvey!
     
  7. EnriqueH

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    I missed Rand. I wish she'd gotten a few more substantial appearances. I really liked her performances, especially in Miri (which is an episode that I'm not that crazy about and that I would rewatch strictly for Rand).

    As for production order, I just now finished Patterns of Force.

    Man, it's so rewarding to watch in production order.
     
  8. Marsden

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    Regarding production order vs airplay order:

    Could you imagine Court Martial, ep 15 being written with Menagerie ep 16 in mind?

    Key witness for the defence, Mr Spock.

    Shaw: Mr. Spock, you are here to testify about Captain Kirk's command ability, but didn't you just recently steal the Enterprise and leave Captain Kirk behind at this very starbase?


    I like both episodes, but I find that coincidence humorous.
     
  9. EnriqueH

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    Yeah, I definitely noticed that recurring themes would sometimes come virtually back to back: courtroom drama, and parallel-Earth come to mind.

    Still, I really enjoyed watching in production order. Everyone who is a member of this board MUST do it, at least once.
     
  10. Christopher

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    Maybe you shouldn't have put that statement right above that particular signature line... it comes off as kind of threatening. ;)
     
  11. EnriqueH

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    Well, at least, my signature wasn't, "NOOOOOOO!!!!"

    :)
     
  12. LMFAOschwarz

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    :guffaw:
     
  13. Pauln6

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    While I absolutely love Helen Noel, I think that replacing Rand because the script required her relationship with Kirk to be too up front was a fairly feeble excuse. Rand lost out on her biggest and best role, probably the only one where she isn't merely decorative or playing the victim. It would have broadened her scope tremendously. Her relationship with Kirk was pumped too much in too many of those early episodes, especially looking at her legs in Miri, but at least in this episode it could have been more playful.

    In fact, the Enemy Within would have provided a very good opportunity to draw a line under their relationship - or at least put the genie back in the bottle for a while if the show had had more of an arc.

    Her role in the City on the Edge of Forever comic shows how easy it would have been to fill Noel's boots had they made that decision and to take a more forthright role if they had been willing to give her a bigger chunk of the action as the female lead. It's a shame that none of the nuTrek writers went back to reconsider her character concept.
     
  14. Maurice

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    Harvey recently shared with me some notes and memos concerning "The Conscience of the King", which was, of course, the last episode filmed to feature Rand, and Sir Rhosis shared the Sept 8, 1966 revised final draft.

    What's interesting about these docs is to see the fingerprints of Janice's removal from the show.

    In the final episode all you see of her is her walk-on onto the bridge where she eyes the exiting Lenore.

    In the script you can see she had an appearance and a line in the observation deck scene as well.

    And if you look at the shooting schedule you can see she was supposed to appear at the tag and comment on Lenore.

    Justman's notes have Janice's name circled with a ? pointing to it, as if wondering if she was going to be in it or not.
     
  15. Pauln6

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    Yeah it was strange. I could not see the point of having her in an episode (beyond the early establishing ones) if she wasn't going to add anything of her personality to the plot. It wasn't just Rand though. a lot of women had largely decorative roles in the seventies and eighties often with a scene at the beginning and the end of the show and not much contribution in between.

    It's interesting that Sally Knyvette who played Jenna Stannis has said in the past that one of the reasons she left Blakes 7 was because she felt that the women didn't get a fair crack in the later episodes of the show, which is not how I remember Jenna at all. Even Marina Sirtis was frustrating that Troi was never allowed to get stuck in more often. It must have been seriously frustrating for actresses in the sixties and seventies with the crap they had to work with.
     
  16. LMFAOschwarz

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    Not to get too deep or anything, but this discussion makes me again wonder just how all the history we've learned since childhood can possibly be considered accurate, when something like the story of Janice Rand cannot be determined with absolute certainty, and that was only a half-century ago, and many people involved survive to this day.
     
  17. Ithekro

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    It seems like Grace was leaving before they had even started to broadcast the show.
     
  18. Jason Thyrion

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    Just because nobody else has;

    1. C
    2. A
    3. B
     
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    I noticed that a lot of Rand's closeups were soft-focus, and not a lot of other female characters were shot that way. What is the reasoning behind it?
     
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    I wish Chapel had been in Star Trek VI, maybe even be the chief medical officer of the Excelsior. I wish they'd fit her in somewhere.